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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Herdfan, Dec 10, 2008.
Thats OK ,I had it the last 2 years ,and Not really worth the money anymore to me.
Hopefully they will put something together.
If not I will have an excuse to get a lap top and a wireless router for Trackpass. I may even network my DVR while I'm at it.:whatdidid
Now we wait.
Here is a news item from Nascar SceneDaily:
A little more here:
DirecTV to change NASCAR Hot Pass - Sprint Cup Series | SceneDaily.com - NASCAR News
As a side note...
Revell stated today that they will be dropping Nascar models from their plastic model line-up as of Feb. 09. No new models (including a COT version) will be made. They cited the price that Nascar was demanding for licensing as the main reason. They said it would make the price point too high in their opinion.
Revell - The leader in replica plastic kits since 1945. - posted on home page.
I enjoyed building the plastic models for fun and then being able to display them. I felt better than just buying a diecast (plus they were cheaper). Oh well, yet another nail in the Nascar coffin. I feel Brian France is taking Nascar in the wrong (WWE) direction. Entertainment/profit over sport.
Hot Pass was ok but same drivers was boring. In fact I am tired of only hearing about Jimmy Johnson for 3.5 hrs. I attend 4-4 races and I told all tracks to not send me any more info because I will not attend these racetracks.
I could tell right from the start that D* was not getting the people/money they wanted for HOTPASS. They just kept doing ad after ad for it. Also I think racing shot itself in the foot when they went to that "Race for the Chase" concept. It's not like a playoff in other sports because all the drivers could be in the races they just all weren't in the "Chase". But D* will still be covering racing just not having HOTPASS. And people won't have to pay extra for the new coverage. It doesn't sound like a bad deal to me at all.
NASCAR has historically been able to weather the economic down cycles because they kept their core audience at heart and kept their lifeblood, the local short tracks, at the top of their priority list.
Since the late 90s, as Bill France Jr. faded as the guiding force, NASCAR began a shift towards a purely marketing driven entity and away from being a racing sanctioning body. They have allowed corporations to monopolize the car ownership in the national touring series ranks. As the economy continues to contract, these owners will abandon the sport as quickly as they entered, cutting teams and employees (as they are now) and reducing car counts. The networks are not going to be happy televising races without full fields of cars at tracks with half-empty stands especially as the ratings and advertising revenues continue to erode.
But even worse, they have all but abandoned the local short track operators and racers. They have allowed costs to spiral out of control at the short track level while providing little to no sanctioning. Short tracks around the country have been forced to close their gates for good due to reduced car counts and lack of fan support over the last several years. NASCAR did nothing to help remedy the situation.
Unfortunately, I think that NASCAR is going to find that the core community of racers and race fans that carried it through the hard times in the past, have moved on and aren't going to be there to help it through this one.
I know this one won't.
Well, ads are done continuously because D* owns the air in which they run. It's not like they have to buy the air time. On the other hand, there is always the opportunity cost of running an ad for one product vs another. Just as NFL still runs ads yet subscriber numbers are very strong. You're always trying to ad and if the space is there to run that ad, you do it.
HotPass had a lot of subscribers, many many many many more then the cable version that ended two years ago. It wasn't even in the same ballpark. However, the costs to produce HotPass vs the cable offering were also dramatically different. D* offered HD, with multiple cameras, announcers, interactivity, required technicians, producers and a whole host of people to run it. It was ultimately an award winning product with a solid subscriber base, but a product that was considerably resource heavy to produce. Unfortunately. Some very talented and great people worked on it.
As for the next steps, it's a bit too soon to suggest what comes next. Hopefully good news soon, but there are a few things to iron out first before anything concrete can be said or commited to.
Nothing Directv can do tops watching the raw race feed uplink right from the track, with no commercials, and some VERY interesting announcer chatter when everyone else is stuck watching commercials. Races have become more like hightlight shows, stuck between endless repetative commercial breaks. If I cant watch it live and commercial free (which I would pay for BTW D*, since its easier than hunting the feeds each weekend), I just wont watch.
they should have had a better selection of drivers
I was given HotPass free when I signed up in August and never watched a single race on it. I had it once on cable a few years ago and it was not very good.
Pretty much how I feel.
:hi: SatelliteRacer, bout time we saw you posting again ...... my offer to be the permanent button pusher for the new and improved Hotpass is still on the table.
If it is to truly be "improved" there won't be button pushers.
Anyone want to speculate on what a Big 3 bankruptcy would do to NASCAR? Or, if the bailout bill passes, how would the Car Czar view the spending by the Big 3 on racing?
Honda pulled out of F1 on their own recently. I wouldn't be shocked to see Toyota or one of the Big 3 pull out of NASCAR on their own.
I know you were talking about tracks, but the cost to field a car has spiraled out of control and for no good reason. I watch some ARCA stuff and with the exception of the lower end of the field, there is some good racing there on a budget 1/10 to 1/20 of a cup team. Put the Cup drivers in some ARCA cars and most people would be very happy with the quality of the racing.
I disagree. I think core fans will be the ones that stay. It is all the newer fans that aren't invested in the sport that will bail first. I know I for one am not giving up my Bristol Season Tickets.
You have a point there. Still want to be the one who has control over the button pushin'. It would NEVER get pushed on my watch :lol: especially on Smoke's channel.
I was actually referring to costs of fielding a weekly short track series car. By removing any leadership and oversight of the member tracks, competition has been destroyed at the local level.
ARCA has also been harmed by the escallation of costs, primarily due to the infiltration of the Cup teams with their 'development' programs. These programs will be first on the chopping block as the sponsorship dollars disappear. I don't see ARCA making it through this season.
My point is that they are no longer there to stay. NASCAR has abandoned their core audience in the quest for growth. How much of it is left when all is said and done remains to be seen. As for myself and most of the racers and fans that I know, the interest in NASCAR racing is mostly gone. I actually watched more sprint car and dirt late models last year and found the racing far superior to NASCAR.
Bingo. I'm only 23, but I've followed Winston Cup (and to a lesser degree, Busch) since 1989 when I was 4 to the year Earnhardt was killed. Granted I was no #3 fan, but the guy was a legend, and deserved respect. All the drivers I grew up following are either dead, retired, or can't even qualify any more. I tried watching a few Nextel Cup races last year, and to me, that isn't even racing anymore. The whole idea of the Chase is stupid, the new class of drivers suck, they're a bunch of pricks, and Toyota should not have been allowed into NASCAR . Those three things killed NASCAR for me. I miss what NASCAR was 10-15 years ago.
The page is dead now, so I had to use the Web Archives, but this is something every real NASCAR fan will appreciate
I'm not surprised to see Hot Pass go, they didn't seem to promote InCar too much when cable had it.
Not surprised. I cancelled because of the "Jr every week" thing. I guess even he wasn't enough to carry it.
DirectTV and HotPass needed to realize that there were other drivers and other fans.