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How Do I Incorporate HR34 into Existing Ethernet Whole Home Network?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by DBSNewbie, Dec 8, 2011.

  1. DBSNewbie

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    VOS,

    I wanted to firstly thank you for guiding me on that previous thread last month regarding the H25 install. (D. Ortiz, too) Your advice on these boards have been so helpful for us DIYers.

    Anyway, to answer your question above, I will be swapping out the HR24 in the Master Bedroom with the new HR34. That HR24, will then go to my daughter's room. Her HR20, will then feed the TV in the Master Bathroom. (The bathroom receiver is actually in the Master Bedroom, next to the the bedroom receiver on the same coax line. The Video feed is just fished through the other side of the wall into the bathroom).

    And lastly, the old H20, that will be removed from the Master Bathroom TV will replace the Hughes SD receiver in the Guest Room.

    Here's a diagram of the new proposed setup.

    As you can see, there is OTA diplexed into the coax line feeding the Master Bedroom and Bathroom receivers. I know it is not officially supported by D*, but I have had no problems.

    So now, to integrate/bridge the new HR34 into my system and have full MRV/3 Streams/Internet capability, can I go about it the same way I had installed the H25? Or would simply plugging in an ethernet cable and putting a BSF (if necessary) on the coax input of the unit give me full functionality?
     

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  2. DarkLogix

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    ok you need to look at the tuner count

    you have 2 HD-DVR's and the HR34 on one SWM8 plus a standard reciver

    thats 10 tuners
    if you swap that SWM8 for a SWM16 then you'd be fine (they can be found on ebay for under 100 (I got one for about $74)

    so swap SWM8 for 16, BSF on input to HR34, and connect your ethernet cable and you should be good
    also remember its best to not daisy chain the ethernet switches but to connect them in a star with the central one having the link you the router

    personally I'd just get 2 SWM16's and a polization locker and replace all the switches (the SWM16's have all the ports needed to cascade)
    you will have 28 tuners total with the HR34 so a SWM16 or even a SWM32 would cover it but you aren't likely to find a 32 on e-bay
     
  3. David Ortiz

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    I only see 8 tuners on that SWM8: Master Bedroom, Master Bathroom and Kitchen.
     
  4. veryoldschool

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    Let me ask if you really have/need OTA at each location, and do you have AM-21 tuners for the receivers that don't have an OTA internally?

    "What I'm thinking" is:
    One SWM8 can support: 1 HR34, 1 HR24, 1 H25, so grouping these together and with the WCCK, these can all use DECA, and bridge to your network.
     
  5. DarkLogix

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    sorry you're right I had counted the daughter's room
     
  6. DarkLogix

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    well from a networking stand point that wouldn't be ideal

    you'd be making a 4 port 100mbit switch and uplinking it to a larger switch

    ok lets say worst case
    3 recivers are pulling content from the HR34 and 1 from the HR24
    then the plain reciver is pulling from one of the other DVR's
    and say the HR34 and HR24 are downloading VOD

    now add that the HR34 is pulling from another DVR and so is the HR24

    now you have 4 streams outbound from the deca "cloud" and 5 inbound
    so if we say each stream is 10mbit then you're using 40/50 over the one 100mbit link

    well you can say its "enough" but theres also overhead with TCP/IP and it'll be likely to have lag


    so ether all deca or none deca or you'll have a bottle neck
     
  7. veryoldschool

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    :confused:
    I don't see a 4 port 100 mbit switch for one thing.
    With a HR34 & HR24, this would mean "merely" a forth MRV stream, which is well within the range of the WDECA.
     
  8. DBSNewbie

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    With my proposed setup with the HR34 there would not be a shortage of tuners on the SWM8 in use. 1 HR34, 1 HR20, and 1 H24 is exactly a total of 8 tuners.

    As far as the gigabit switches, I have them as close to star-clustered as possible. All ethernet jacks in use by the MRV system are "home-runned" back to a patch-panel and the 16-port gigabit switch you see in the diagram. I don't prefer to have the router and modem in the same location as the patch panel, as it would mean having to go to the closet every time I need to reset anything. I just have them by the computer in the bedroom. Please note that all non MRV traffic on the ethernet network is on an entirely different switch attached to the router.

    The smaller 5-port gigabit switches are just used to "split" the connections, as there are only single runs of CAT5/6 to each of the wall jacks in each room location.
     
  9. veryoldschool

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    I don't see a 4 port 100 mbit switch for one thing.
    With a HR34 & HR24, this would mean "merely" a forth MRV stream, which is well within the range of the WDECA.
    The most streams that I count would be 9 and this is still within the specs for a DECA.
     
  10. DBSNewbie

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    Yes, that configuration had crossed my mind, but of course that would mean eliminating the OTA. Ideally, I would like to maintain OTA capability. Whether it be for an AM21, RF Modulation (which I use on other TVs for a front door doorbell camera - I could incorporate the video feed to the Master Bedroom TV, but since I have dedicated intercom monitor in the bedroom, I don't really need it), or whatnot, it would be great to not lose that function in case I may need it in the future.

    I really would like to bridge the HR34 into the system without losing any previous capabilities.
     
  11. veryoldschool

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    Well it does look like a BSF and then ethernet is the option.
     
  12. DBSNewbie

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    Thanks.:)
     
  13. veryoldschool

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    There is one thing that bothers me about this.
    Using a BSF on the output of an active DECA, is going to bounce the signal right back into the DECA, which can't be that good of an idea for the DECA.
    The WDECA has internal attenuation so this isn't a problem.
     
  14. DarkLogix

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    The 100mbit switch would be the Deca if he did as you said
    running at 50% capasity is likely to give you lag
    as I showed in my post it would be at most at 4 outbound and 5 inbound with 100mbit each way on the deca to rest of the house link and thats just asking for lag

    if they were all on deca then it would be fine and if they are all on ethernet it'll be fine as ether will avoid a bottle neck
     
  15. DBSNewbie

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    Can anyone confirm if the diplexer in use at Master Bedroom location could be used in place of a BSF?

    It's a Holland 5-2150MHz diplexer, like the one shown on the link below...

    http://www.3starinc.com/images/super/STVC_800x600t.jpg
     
  16. veryoldschool

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    Pure guessing, but "whatever".
    The DECA RF has over 170 Mb/s, and the ethernet port is bi-directional.
     
  17. DarkLogix

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    170mbit where as ethernet has 200mbit

    its bi-directional (full duplex) which is way I said inbound and outbound on as you have 100 in both directions

    but running it at 50% is not likely to give you a lag free experiance
     
  18. DBSNewbie

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    So, a WDCCK would be the best bet? How about a BB DECA? I have an extra one of those lying around. Does that have internal attenuation?

    And, could a diplexer be used in place of a BSF. I've got a bunch of diplexers lying around, too. I need to order a BSF if I actually do need one.
     
  19. veryoldschool

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    I would question how much lag there would be, but since no one is using this to know, nobody does.
     
  20. DBSNewbie

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    Please excuse me for bumping this thread, but I would just like to know if a BB DECA and diplexer would work just as well as a WDCCK and BSF.

    Thanks
     

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