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How to get significantly viewed dma stations added

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by StephenJC, Feb 23, 2013.

  1. Mar 5, 2013 #161 of 202
    damondlt

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    Adams cable list in Waymart PA , that same county as mine!
    WYOU - 22 - CBS
    WOLF - 56 - FOX
    WBRE - 28 - NBC
    Adams Community Ch
    WNEP - 16 - ABC
    WVIA - 44 - PBS
    WNBC -4 -NBC NY
    WSWB - 38 - CW
    WQPX - 64 - ION
    TV Guide
    WNEP Anytime
    WQMY - My Network
     
  2. Mar 5, 2013 #162 of 202
    tonyd79

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    I've seen a lot of systems in Pennsylvania do some of these part time. Can you tell?
     
  3. Mar 5, 2013 #163 of 202
    damondlt

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    Part time what? Channels?
     
  4. Mar 5, 2013 #164 of 202
    joshjr

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    This could help. We all know cable laws are different but, the local NBC must not be complaining to bad if the Cable Co there offers WNBC. This could help alot. The fact that its in the same county and DMA as you is big. I dont know if its big enough but I will definitely use it to your advantage.

    I feel like it was easier for my area. Years ago, the cable co here had all of the Tulsa locals as well as our DMA's. Over time they slowly dropped all of them but 1. Also we are the last county in the NE part of the state and are not in a DMA that is in the state we live in. Most people that live in Miami shop in Joplin Missouri because its 30 miles away and has most of what you want but Tulsa even though its 85 miles away, has everything. Its pretty clear that people in my county still want and find ways to get the Tulsa locals even through antenna. It probably didnt hurt that there was a city council meeting for CableOne dropping a Tulsa station that had great weather coverage and was considered significantly viewed and kept the only Tulsa that was not on the list and was blacked out most of the time for duplicate programming. The GM of the Tulsa ABC was at that meeting as his station was the one that was dropped. We had a good conversation about adding his station to DirecTV since he had a right to & people in Miami were used to having his station. It wasnt long after that it was added.
     
  5. Mar 5, 2013 #165 of 202
    joshjr

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    What you are referring to is stations on a cable system that are not on the significantly viewed list and are forced to black out duplicate programming. When this happens, mostly what people get for the out of market DMA is weather and news information. For some that is what they are after anyways. Examples would be the station imported is from the state you live in while your DMA's locals are not, the weather alerts from the imported station give you an advanced warning before your DMA picks up the storm coverage, etc.
     
  6. Mar 5, 2013 #166 of 202
    damondlt

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    Time Warner Cable is also in wayne county, but I don't know where or have an address to enter to check the line up.

    They hide that info like its a bank account number.:rolleyes:
     
  7. Mar 5, 2013 #167 of 202
    joshjr

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    When I run into this, I use a restaurant address for that town or Post Office or something is common in most towns. I can try to look too. What town in Wayne county would Time Warner Cable offer service too?
     
  8. Mar 5, 2013 #168 of 202
    Mike Bertelson

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    I don’t think it’s possible to force DIRECTV to put up these channels. The statute specifically says “Carriage of a signal under this section is not mandatory...”

    IIUC, Title 47, Chapter 5, § 340 says this...
    • Stations on the Significantly Viewed list are permitted to be carried by Satellite providers.
    • The FCC determines who is eligible and puts them on a list.
    • Carriage is NOT mandatory.
    • Exclusivity rules don’t apply.
    • For a local to evoke the exclusivity rules they have to petition the FCC and challenge whether or not a station is eligible to be Significantly Viewed in a given town/county.
    I’m guessing that since it is not mandatory it’s entirely possible that DIRECTV could make non-carriage of neighboring locals part of an agreement with whatever company owns a given local station. It’s their option to carry so I could see a situation where they might use that as a bargaining chip to bring down the price a bit. Of course that’s something we’ll never know...they’re certainly not gonna tell us.

    Mike
     
  9. Mar 5, 2013 #169 of 202
    damondlt

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    Im not sure, I would just assume extreme northern wayne. Since Time Warner runs in NY right at the norther boarder.

    Like I said it was like fort Knox, for what ever reason, I guess they don't want to show their sad Channel Line up.:lol:


    You can Try these Zips , but Northern Wayne is VERY REMOTE!

    18437 Lake Como
    18461 Starlight
    18462 Starrucca
    18847 Susquehanna
    18455 Preston Park
     
  10. Mar 5, 2013 #170 of 202
    damondlt

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    So bottom line, we don't currently have them so we are getting them anytime soon.
    Directv would still have to come to an agreement with both networks?
     
  11. Mar 5, 2013 #171 of 202
    damondlt

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    He's a question

    How many of the Local markets that Directv serves, Offer SV channels?

    Cause it doesn't look like very many!
     
  12. Mar 5, 2013 #172 of 202
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    They don't have to come to an agreement with the local channel at all. If haven't specifically agreed to keep the SV channel out, they don't have to get permission from the local. The local can use it as a bargaining chip, as I said before, but they cannot disallow it beyond putting it into carriage talks.

    They do need permission (and probably have to pay) the SV channel. They cannot just take anything from the air and put it on.
     
  13. Mar 5, 2013 #173 of 202
    damondlt

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    OK so again that Directv then no?
     
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    joshjr

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    I dont know who would know this information other than DirecTV and their website dont reflect the ones I am getting so I doubt it would be a good source of information. I am sure if asked most would want the SV stations in their area. I am also equally sure that not everyone would get them and probably most wouldn't. I guarantee you that the DMA's that have no one asking for them wont be having them lit up on DirecTV anytime soon.
     
  15. Mar 5, 2013 #175 of 202
    Mike Bertelson

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    I think the bottom line is we'll ever know why they're not carrying certain neighboring locals or if they ever will.

    IOW, we don't know nothin'. :grin:

    Mike
     
  16. Mar 5, 2013 #176 of 202
    tonyd79

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    The tool at this link

    http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/packProg/svLocalChannels.jsp?assetId=1200076&_requestid=1055315

    doesn't seem to work. I put in your data (74354 and Ottawa County) and it said there is nothing.

    But some others do show up like 22320/Alexandria City.

    Probably just not updated.
     
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    joshjr

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    At one point the local channel tool on DirecTV's site did show the 2 Tulsa stations being offered for my county. For some reason they are not now.
     
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    I called KJRH (NBC Tulsa) today to check back on them applying for a significantly viewed status. I was informed by their Chief Engineer that after checking with numerous people and lots of phone calls, their agreement with NBC was that they could not provide their signal to an out of market DMA.

    I called BS on that as their channel was on CableOne till last year. He stated the reason that was allowed was because they were forced to black out all the duplicated programming meaning basically news was okay to watch but that's it. Only cable is allowed to offer an out of market affiliate that is not considered significantly viewed. I really didnt care if we got this Tulsa station or not but I definitely wanted to try.

    I also spoke to the GM at KOKI (FOX Tulsa) last week and they are still working on trying to add FOX to my counties channel lineup with DirecTV. I will check back on it in a few weeks. Boils down to I have 2 of the 3 that are considered significantly viewed, the third is trying and the 4th one (not on the list for significantly viewed) is not interested in applying for SV status at this time due to contractual agreements.
     
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    None of these panned out. I did find an address that was accepted by their system but then it had no channel lineup for that address. I had an IM conversation with them and it appears they do not offer cable in that area. I will still try to reach back out to channel 4 this week to see what they have to say.
     
  20. Guesst925XTU

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    Any hope of getting the Philadelphia broadcast networks on DirecTV here in Southern Ocean County, NJ? (Manahawkin / Tuckerton / Beach Haven)

    We currently get only NYC locals.

    Comcast carries: KYW, WPVI, WCAU, WHYY, WPHL, WTXF and WPSG (plus WMCN from Atlantic City) all in both SD and HD.

    Geographically we are much closer to Philadelphia.

    Over the air the NYC stations provide no signal at all here while we are within the "Grade B" contours of most of the Philadelphia stations.

    The only channels that carry new stories from Southern Ocean County are from Philadelphia - the NYC stations don't ever mention this area.
     

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