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HR20: 0x120 - Discussion

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Earl Bonovich, Feb 1, 2007.

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  1. PajamaGuy

    PajamaGuy Legend

    Aug 21, 2006
    The game's going to run long. I'm scheduled to record Criminal Minds. How do I pad just this time's recording for an extra 30 min. The dialog seems to indicate I'll be padding the whole series, not just one show.

    So now it's 9:01 and HR20 thinks it's recording "Minds", while it's recording, can I add a pad extension? How?

    Thanks! (I set it to record the 10:00 show as a workaround)
  2. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    Recorded Kickoff Show, SuperBowl, and padded 30 minutes for Postgame - concurrently both OTA and local CBS on D*TV. All recorded and played great, including padding. Audio clean, both videas virtually identical.
  3. Tighe32

    Tighe32 AllStar

    Oct 12, 2006
    During the Superbowl I got severe audio dropouts on all commercials. It was fine during the game but on a lot of the commercials I could hear the background sounds but no voices and the other commercials it would cut out about every 2 seconds . I am using x12 software with optical connection and I even switched DD on and off with no change. I was watching on OTA 8-1 (Indianapolis) I have always used this channel with no problems and this is the only time I have experienced problems, after the game everything was fine again. Very strange any Ideas or did anyone else have this problem?
  4. joej

    joej Cool Member

    Sep 29, 2006
    Hey Tighe32

    I had the same problem here in Denver using the MPEG-4 local. My pre-amp would kick in and out of Dolby Digital all the time during the commercials. It got to the point that I switched the pre-amp off and used the RCA out to my TV. It audio still dropped out. First time I every had this type of problem.

  5. cygnusloop

    cygnusloop Hall Of Fame

    Jan 26, 2007
    I was watching OTA in Denver, and had the exact same issue on the DD audio.
    this is clearly a problem with the source.

  6. bnglbill

    bnglbill Icon

    Nov 29, 2006

    I have had this problem here and there with the other releases but with 0x120, it is almost constant and Fox is the worst. It only seems to happen on the HD local channels, mpeg 4 is the worst mpeg 2 not as bad, non HD, non existant. :confused:
  7. HDNut

    HDNut AllStar

    Aug 28, 2006
    I had not used the native res mode for the past 5 months untill last Saturday. It seems that this mode is working very well now with my Westinghouse 42W1 LCD monitor. The only difference I notice is a slight delay when I switch from one channel to another that works in a different resolution.
  8. jeffroe996

    jeffroe996 New Member

    Feb 5, 2007
    I got my HR20 yesterday just in time for the superbowl. It immediately downloaded 0x120 and I recorded the superbowl from satellite and watched it via OTA. I was able to pause, rewind, fast forward fine on the OTA buffer. I checked the local mpeg4 recording after the game and it all appeared fine.

    It properly recorded Rome on HBOHD, but then when I sat down to watch it, I realized that the remote was unresponsive. So I went and tried the buttons on the front panel and nothing. Interestingly, the live feed of NFL Gameday was still running and playing fine, just couldn't do anything else.

    I had read in the forum that sometimes the HR20 gets busy and wont' respond for a little while, so I went and did something else for 30 minutes, then came back and it was still playing NFL Gameday live, but I couldn't do anything with it, so I went ahead and did an RBR.

    It came up fine and I watched Rome, which worked just fine. Then I decided to go ahead and reformat the thing since it was empty anyway and I hadn't been able to set all my tivo season pass equivalents because the guide hadn't finished downloading. I had read that many people advocated reformatting when you had an old version that was upgraded so far (0xbe to 0x120).

    So far today, it has been working fine. We'll see if Heroes records properly in HD this evening.

    I still have my Samsung SD DirecTivo, but I can't use it as a backup until I run two more cables to the living room and buy another multi-switch.

    BTW, you guys are great and super helpful! If it wasn't for you, I wouldn't have realized that Dolby Digital defaults to Off.
  9. jpercia

    jpercia AllStar

    Jan 10, 2007
    Just wanted to take a minute to say how pleased I am with 0x120. The biggest problems I had with earlier version was that trick play usage caused so much pixelation and audio dropouts it was virtually unuseable on my HR20. I have not had any problems since 0x120 rolled out. Even when recording OTA HD and using trick play on OTA HD at the same time (a killer combination in earlier versions for me).
  10. Justinto

    Justinto AllStar

    Jul 15, 2006
    I am not sure this is an issue. I have the audio routed through my HK receiver. When the program audio switches from DD to analog, the receiver takes 2 seconds to play it it both directions. This is a quirk with the HK receiver not the HR20; however, I have not tried to listen to the audio track via the HDMI analog track.
  11. kfcrosby

    kfcrosby Godfather

    Dec 17, 2006
    Memphis, TN
    After answering the pool that I had not had any problems, today I got my first BSOD.

    RBR and I am back up and running....
  12. scottrof

    scottrof Mentor

    Nov 13, 2006
    This version seems to be a step backwards.

    Last week's boston legal had many of the clicking sounds.

    There are audio dropouts on most shows.

    Friday Night Lights and also Bones from last week both only recorded the final 21 minutes.
  13. superchief

    superchief Legend

    Dec 22, 2006
    0x120 - 3 RBR's required in a row tonight!

    What a piece of dreck!!!
    I have been patiently testing/using/reporting on 0x120 since it's Beta release, and tonight it required 3, count 'em, 3 RBRs, due to the dreaded BSOD.

    Why? Because I changed the channel!

    I was watching OTA KLASDT Las Vegas (8-1) and I changed the channel to OTA KLVXDT (10-1) Las Vegas. First time, worked fine. Second time, worked fine. Third time, BSOD. MPEG4 locals, Sat channels, HD sat channels, recorded shows on SATA drive -- Nuttin' but a black screen. Waited 2 minutes, watching glorious blackness, then decided to move on.

    OK, says I, I'll RBR -- cool, everything's working. Repeated the scenario above, and wham, BSOD.

    RBR AGAIN, and everything worked, until I changed channels -- BSOD.

    Third reboot, and everything was working, except by now, the shows that I wanted to watch were over. Thanks for a box that takes 7-10 minutes to re-boot.
    It really seems that as releases 'age in the box', they become more unstable. Smells of a memory leak, or something of that ilk.

    I really would like the HR-20 and 0x120 to work reliably, but as far as OTA, the combination really sucks. And, results from satellite-only aren't much better.

    I'd watch the MPEG4 satellite equivalent channels, IF they were close to the same quality, but they are not. OTA rocks, Satellite HD locals looks like they need a dose of Viagra (soft and sputtery in comparison to OTA).

    What's a customer to do??
  14. superchief

    superchief Legend

    Dec 22, 2006
    Actually, I believe that was a Network problem, as far as I could tell.

    OTA, West Coast Feed and local HD (MPEG4) all had the problem for me here in Las Vegas.

    The problem was reproducible on my Samsung and RCA DTC-100 STBs.
    Funny though how the commercials came through fine...
  15. superchief

    superchief Legend

    Dec 22, 2006
    Welcome to the forum!

    I would agree in principal with most of your observations, however, as a person that has tested several releases of the software on the HR-20, I would advise you to wait 2 weeks or so, and then reflect on your points above.


    1) Yes, there are some whiners here, but by-and-large, I believe that we are reporting problems in the spirit of providing D* with as much information as possible so that they can create new downloads that are more stable and meet the written description of the operability and feature set of the HR-20.

    2) I would not necessarily blame the Engineering staff at the locals for poor MPEG-4 performance. In my case, the difference between OTA local broadcast quality and re-distributed MPEG-4 is markedly different; that is, the OTA signal is constantly BETTER, by a large margin. Higher video frequencies (i.e., a crisper picture), no "stuttering" (motion artifacts & what appears to be dropped frames and smeared motion artifacts), sound quality & consistency.

    3) Improved MPEG-4 bandwidth allocation and prediction algorithms are surely required on the part of D*; in addition, until the additional 2 planned satellites are launched and operational, limited bandwidth is, I believe, the main gating factor to improved MPEG-4 locals. This issue will, in my opinion, be addressed as we move forward.

    4) I have a DTC-100 HD receiver that (via modification) allows me to record the raw HD bitstream to a HD, and I agree that the HR-20 does record "faithfully".

    5) I too am greatly impressed by the HR-20 and what it can do, when everything works as advertised. I think about the complexity of recording up to 3 bitstreams simultaneously, while decoding and outputting a 4th, and it really is quite a feat of engineering. My background is in computer networking and protocols, and a device of this capability is awesome.

    6) Agreed. This is evidence of an organization trying its' best to satisfy their clients. One could argue that the HR-20 was 'pre-released', but after reading these posts for several months now, I honestly do not believe that any organization could have released such a product/technology so advanced without flaws. In my view, D* has created the PC, Operating System, Applications, Networking and an Advanced U/I all at once. It "only" took the computer industry 35+ years to do the same things!

    7) As I said in the beginning of my reply, the HR-20 seems to really preform well for a few days, and then the nasties arrive. Dunno if it is a memory leak, embedded L*nux, file system or other issue(s), but the boxes do seem to become more unstable as time goes by.

    Thanks for your comments!
  16. Djscoe

    Djscoe New Member

    Feb 8, 2006
    I've had audio dropouts with every release and up until this latest release I was forced to reboot the damn thing at least twice a week. I'd turn on the system and get the BSOD. Reboot and it was fine for a couple days, then nothing.

    I don't watch that much in SD but the PQ definitely is not as good on this release.
  17. edmcgee

    edmcgee New Member

    Jan 23, 2007
    I am getting red dots flashing at various times all over my display. I went to the direct tv forums and there were a lot of people having the same problems. At first I almost had a heart attack thinking it was my plasma.

    It only started happening after Thursdays software update.


  18. tommygun_00

    tommygun_00 Cool Member

    Jan 9, 2006
    I just got the HR20 installed yesterday. Would I have gotten the 120 update when they installed it? Need to know if I need to download it. Also, I don't have an internet connection hooked up to it. Is that a problem?

  19. Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Nov 15, 2005
    If the installer didn't force a download of 0x120 as the last step of the install, it likely downloaded automatically overnight. You should be good. A quick check under Menu->help & settings->setup-> info (hit select on the info) will tell you many things about your HR20 including temperature and the software level.

    Nope you do not need either phone line or network for the HR20. Without phone line you can't order PPV via the remote control, but you still can order via the directv website.

  20. bmwillett

    bmwillett New Member

    Jan 23, 2007
    I had the same issue but only seemed to occur after rewinding some during the game to see something we missed - then fast forwarded to catch back. After doing that, the audio would severely drop out during commercials until I changed the channel then changed it back - that seemed to resync things.
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