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HR20 Users, would you trade it for a TiVo

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Earl Bonovich, Oct 6, 2007.

Would you trade?

  1. No, I would not trade my HR20 for a TiVo

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  2. Yes, I would trade my HR20 for a TiVo

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  1. Oct 8, 2007 #241 of 340

    bafuerst AllStar

    Feb 18, 2007
    What is 30 seconds skip stacking. I assume you mean that you can press the skip button several times to stack them. Example pressing skip 4 times will FF 2 min. If that is what you are talking about I can do that on the Tivo and even though it does not countdown the number of times I pressed the skip button it doesn't matter because it actually skipped ahead as apposed to the HR20 FF skip.
  2. Oct 8, 2007 #242 of 340

    DogLover Hall Of Fame

    Mar 18, 2007
    The problem is that there is no indication to the user that it is there. If you are in the middle of adding/editing recording settings, there is no other reason to to go to the menu. Every other item in that menu is a different task. Unless you are know there are context sensitive menus and are looking for them, there is no way to know that function is there. Unless a user is "told" that it is there (by a help screen, a manual, or another user), it is essentially a "hidden" function.
  3. Oct 8, 2007 #243 of 340

    JohnLips Cool Member

    May 23, 2006
    Add DLB and I'll keep the hr20
  4. Oct 9, 2007 #244 of 340

    Gotchaa Legend

    Jan 25, 2006
    TiVo for the community software enhancements a.k.a "hacks"

    Is this something being considered or just a fun poll?
  5. Oct 9, 2007 #245 of 340

    gully_foyle Hall Of Fame

    Jan 18, 2007
    Los Angeles
    I would trade straight across for an HR10-250 that did Mpeg4/Ka and would support SWM and OTA. The only nagging reservation is that the HR10's video always seemed too soft, and the interface was a bit slow.

    But certain features: the editable channel list; the ability to alter HD formats; the full use of the disk; the 3rd party support; the dual buffers; the well-thought-out menu structure and the list guide are all missed.

    Never had any real issues with the TiVo that InstantCake couldn't solve, and the ability to add a second drive was a big plus. I guess I've never been big on closed systems, maybe that's a bias.

    The HR20 is a fairly amazing device considering it's humble origins in a nearly failed design. But it still need significant work regarding both stability and functionality before it outclasses what TiVo had two years ago.

    Features needed:

    The ability to kill channels completely
    HD Format modes, particularly stretch, squeeze and zoom.
    True second drive capability.
    Sharing video among local HR20s
    Clean up and restructure the menu tree.
    Nested search

    Then maybe.
  6. Oct 9, 2007 #246 of 340

    gully_foyle Hall Of Fame

    Jan 18, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Because it is in a non-intuitive and undocumented place. There is no way to find it via the menu, you have to stumble upon it or read 3rd party docs. One has to know to press MENU while in a recording setup screen. Why would I know that from the available info?
    1) Yes, I'd like to have Scheduler on the first menu page.
    2) That brings up an interesting point. The HR20 remote is particular troublesome for anyone using a universal remote, since it UTTERLY RELIES on unique buttons. Not that one cannot use other buttons or macros to reproduce the color keys, but the overreliance on this one method, while never fixing the unnecesarily awkward alternatives via arrow-select (e.g. the idiotic "Go there" thing. Of course I want to go there) makes the use of universal remotes more difficult. And anything more than a TV/DVR/DVD system needs a universal remote with macros. There is also an aspect of arbitrary and contextual assignment to the color keys as well which many people have no patience to learn.
  7. Oct 9, 2007 #247 of 340
    mr anderson

    mr anderson Legend

    Oct 6, 2006
    To me, the main things that the Tivo has over the HR20 are:

    1. DLB

    2. Better looking and more intuitive GUI (This is personal opinion I know, but I actually base this on other people using both my tivo and the hr20 like my wife, a colleague, father-in-law, etc. whom have stated their displeasure with using it.)

    3.Being able to pause, have it stay, and surf another channel and being able to return to that same point.

    4. Better remote. The directv remote seems like it was designed with no particular plan in mind, whereas the tivo remote seems like it was designed with the purpose to be used with a dvr. Better layout and ergonomics.

    Things the HR20 has over the tivo:

    1. Faster response time. (Newer, faster, hardware)

    2. mpeg-4 capability.

    3. Picture in guide. (Could easily live without though)

    4. 90 minute buffer. (Must say that I'd rather have 2, 30 minute buffers if given a choice, rather than 1 90 minute).

    I use my hr20 and it's constantly improving, but I don't think it will ever get to be as good as the tivo unless D* is willing to add some of those features Tivo users so feverishly love...
  8. Oct 9, 2007 #248 of 340

    TMullenJr Godfather

    Feb 22, 2006
    I wouldn't replace my HR-20 with a Tivo, but I would replace it with an updated UTV unit.
  9. Oct 9, 2007 #249 of 340

    LOBO2999 Legend

    Apr 9, 2004
    I would trade mine , but 1st I would take a 10 pound sledge hammer to the HR20 befor sending it back and yes even if I had to pay full price for smashing it.
  10. Oct 9, 2007 #250 of 340
    Earl Bonovich

    Earl Bonovich Lifetime Achiever

    Nov 15, 2005
    Wouldn't call it "just for fun"...

    But the first part... no, it is not something that is being considered.
  11. Oct 9, 2007 #251 of 340

    bidger Hall Of Fame

    Nov 19, 2005
    Don't miss TiVo one little bit and it was 7 years ago this month that I started using one. I now find it slow, dated, and oVerraTed. I prefer being able to view the Guide and Menus while watching recorded shows to anything TiVo offers.
  12. Oct 9, 2007 #252 of 340

    jjohns Godfather

    Sep 15, 2007
    I HR20'd that so I can watch the partial recording later tonight.
  13. Oct 9, 2007 #253 of 340

    Sander Godfather

    Jun 3, 2007
    I have no experience with the DirecTV version of TiVo, only the TiVo-2. However, if the proposed swap would give me HD, dual tuners, VOD, and ease of recording PPV's, I would probably swap. My main reasons would be TiVo ToGo and skip vs. slip.

    I am comparing the HR20-700 that I have with the old TiVo-2 I used to use.

    HR20 advantages

    1. Easy to set up PPV recordings
    2. VOD
    3. Dual tuners
    4. HD compatibiliy
    5. Easy upgrade with eSATA
    6. PIG

    TiVo-2 Advantages

    1. More reliable recordings
    2. Ability to tranfer shows from one TiVo to another (TiVo ToGo)
    3. Ability to upload and download from PC's (TiVo ToGo)
    4. No problem syncing audio with video and less pixelation
    5. 30-sec skip rather than slip
    6. Easier to skip to tick marks
    7. Easier slo-mo
  14. Oct 9, 2007 #254 of 340

    alwayscool Legend

    Sep 24, 2006
    D* are you listening to your customers?
  15. Oct 9, 2007 #255 of 340

    garydhunter Mentor

    Aug 24, 2007
    This is a tough question as I have 2 HR10-250's and loved the ability to get OTA from the local channels. The HR20-100 is getting better and better, I really like the folders and yes the Dual Buffers I miss, but I am hopeful I can get VOD, remote programming etc, in the near future. I don't see that happening any time soon with the HR10-250's even though it can be done with hacks, and not in favor of doing that route. I will stick with my 2-HR20-100's just hoping I can get some new CE software to test with.
  16. Oct 9, 2007 #256 of 340

    judson_west Godfather

    Jun 15, 2006
    I gave up my HR10 for an HR20 just because the current HR10 didn't support the reception of the new MPEG4 channels. If this were not the case, I would still be a happy HR10 user.

    Yes, the HR10 interface is slower and reorg'ing the Season Passes is slow, but the overall look and feel of the TiVo interface is very smooth and organized. The reliability of recording using the TiVo has been top notch. The WishList function is head and shoulders above search/autorecord. And now that I have more space for my MPEG4 HD recordings, I miss TiVo's Suggestions.
  17. Oct 9, 2007 #257 of 340

    MikeR Hall Of Fame

    Oct 5, 2006
    Not trading for any TiVo here. Personally don't want to see any future Tivo involvement with Directv.
  18. Oct 9, 2007 #258 of 340

    wingrider01 Hall Of Fame

    Sep 9, 2005
    in my case a shotgun to the HR10 was stress relief, watching it blow to pieces was theraputic
  19. Oct 9, 2007 #259 of 340

    Rich DBSTalk Club DBSTalk Club

    Feb 22, 2007
    Piscataway, NJ
    I was at Costco today and took a good look at a Series 3 TiVo and the eSATA function is for "future use". Now that I have the eSATA in hand, I am glad that I voted for the HR20.
  20. Oct 9, 2007 #260 of 340

    kmill14 Godfather

    Jun 12, 2007
    eSata works for the Series 3 and Tivo HD box. Just like HR-20, it is not officially supported, so you use it at your own risk.
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