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HR20 Users, would you trade it for a TiVo

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Earl Bonovich, Oct 6, 2007.

Would you trade?

  1. No, I would not trade my HR20 for a TiVo

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  2. Yes, I would trade my HR20 for a TiVo

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  1. Earl Bonovich

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    No... and not because I don't think they are valid.

    As until someone sits down, and thinks of all the main combinations, and could design a more accurate "survey"... there are still going to be fundimental flaws in all of those polls.

    There are just so many variables that can go into it....
    And now throw in the HR21 without OTA.... and that also adds to the mix.

    You also throw in all the "well why wouldn't it be a T3 feature set" variables, ect....

    To me... and the two threads...
    It was all the comments on WHY people voted the way they did... which is the most valid data that comes out of them.

    Not the raw semi-anonymous poll votes.
     
  2. mikewolf13

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    This poll listed who voted how.

    Do I thnk it's important? no. DO I think it's interesting? yes.

    it's why scientists do double-blind studies.

    There is no doubt in my mind that those particpating in CE will favor the HR20 more than those not participating.

    The breakouts you reference would also matter it we wanted to be real scientific..obviously we can't be too exact here, but If it iis possible, and I suspect you (or someone) has alist of particpants, in additon to the list of who voted which way and could do this in 10 seconds.

    Not entirely scientific so if there is little difference in the numbers than so be it. But if the numbers are 80-20 for one group and 20-80 for the other then it's certainly points to bias of some kind.
     
  3. JerseyBoy

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    The TiVo hr10-250 had a horrible user interface. The HR20 is a huge improvement. I went from ReplayTV to the hr10-250 to get HD and I cursed the hr10 out everytime I used it because of the UI. I would trade my hr20 for a HD ReplayTV that works with directv. I still have the hr10. The hr10 and hr20 are connected to the same TV and I only use the HR10 when I want to record more that 2 things at once. Not only because I get more HD channels on the HR20 but because I like the UI and remote on the HR20 orders of magnitudes better.

    PS: ReplayTV has had multi room viewing for several years maybe D* should buy the technology from them since they don't seem to be able to get it done themselves :lol:
     
  4. Aztec Pilot

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    I sure hated to give up my HR 10. Actually I didn't I just put it on a SD tv. I really expectd my new HR20's to be as unreliable as my R15. Not the case. I am really liking the HR20. DLB is the only thing I miss.

    Also, I suspect that a TIVO box would have a different remote. I really like having the same remorte for every set because my fingers are trained. I do not have time to look at the remote;)

    I suspect I will keep my HR 20's and maybe get another one:)
     
  5. Steveknj

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    I voted for the Tivo. WHile the HR20 HAS improved, and has some neat (but unnesseary) features like networking and OnDemand (yeah, i do cutting edge upgrades), the Tivo just WORKED. I still have occassional issues with missed recordings, or recordings of reruns that were marked as new, which I never had with the Tivo. 30 second SKIP is better than 30 second slip, Wishlists actually WORK!! And of course DLBs, which are great this time of year when there are multiple games on.

    The one thing I WOULD miss if I had to give up my HR20 is the mini guide, which I first had on a Hughes non DVR box and missed it when I gave that box up for my Sony Tivo box. But other than that, I cannot think of ANYTHING on the HR20 I'd really miss if i had to give it up for the more reliable TiVo
     
  6. jrbundy

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    I'd trade it in a heartbeat. I'd probably get a 2nd one too if I could, even without a 2nd HDTV.
     
  7. islander66

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    I voted to trade mine for a new BMW. It's the same chance of getting a free Tivo with MPEG4 for my HR20.
     
  8. stogie5150

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    I am in the process of cancelling D* right now, almost solely on the glaring weakness of D*'s DVR products. (the other is the cost, I have recently suffered a sudden decrease in available funds...:lol: ) I say in the process because I have been waiting for a month now on the recovery kits for my DVR's and D12. If a MPEG4 TIVO were suddenly become available I would reconsider D*, I would only have one instead of three, but a TIVO with all the functions that the old HR10-250 had would make me interested in D* again.
    Now that D* has released the HR21, and STILL havent addressed all the issues and features lacking in the HR20, and THEN finding out they deleted the OTA tuners, and STILL haven't addressed the lack of DLB, indicates to me that D* isn't interested in my money anymore.:(
     
  9. tiger2005

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    Just be sure they are fully aware of your reasons for cancelling. If they know customers are cancelling because of the equipment, it might spur them to some sort of action.
     
  10. primetime

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    I'd keep my HR20.
    I had more issues with missed recordings and still do on my one running HR10, the HR20's haven't missed a beat in 9 months. I still remember the audio problems on Fox OTA when the HR10 upgraded software. My HR20's did have the synch problem for a day or so when the new HD channels launched but have been fine since.

    I love the ability to add the external hard drive on the HR20. I am not a computer pro and don't want to take apart my box or learn Linux to hack it like so many features on the Tivo required. This eSATA solution on the HR20 is my top feature. My wife is in grad school so a lot of shows build up before she can get a chance to sit down and watch TV.

    HR20's speed is much better, I hate the 2 minute hang ups when reordering a pass list on the Tivo. Not to mention the easier set up of a season pass or series link right from guide.

    I like being able to watch TV in the corner while setting up recordings, changing the menu, adding passes, etc.

    The dedicated 30 second slip is a plus, I hated reprogramming the shortcut in everytime my HR10 reboots and I like zipping through the commercials and being able to go back if I see an ad I like or upcoming show.

    The space remaining meter saves me all the times I had to mentally calculate or estimate how much space is left on the hard drive as well not get yelled at for deleting stuff in the name of needing space.

    I like the skip to tick on the HR20 better.

    I hate the suggestions feature and thumbs up on the Tivo they are immediately turned off.

    I like being able to skip ahead in 12 hour increments off the list guide on the HR20 especially when scrolling through the movie channels and their list of movies.

    Caller ID on HR20 is a bonus.

    I have kinda mastered the dual buffer problem but the Tivo method of just switching the tuners is better although I love 90 minutes. vs. 30 minutes.

    I still like the peanut remote better but I have learned all the buttons on the HR20's so I don't have to look at that one anymore either but the Tivo one was made for channel surfer.

    Overall I would say the HR20 is as good or better than the HR10 on 10/12 features I care about including my two top choices, reliablity and expanded hard drive.
     
  11. w3syt

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    I now have 2 HR10-250's an HR20-700 and an HR20-100. All are good, but, I will take the new ones any day. And that new HR21 without OTA, that is a bad idea.
     
  12. Splendor

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    In a heartbeat! That's all I've ever wanted!
     
  13. drh

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    Sure would trade! I have been trying to get used to this hr20 for a month now and hate it. My hr10-250 with all it's faults was heads and shoulders above this piece of junk. No dlb is my main gripe but the functionality sucks too. The ui just plain sucks. I can search for the same actor or movie on both the hr10 and hr20 and the hr20 will miss tons of hits. Just a piece of junk. I am going to hook my hr10 back up and forget the mpg4 stuff. For what I watch, I would rather have the dlb and more intuitive tivo unit. I got 1 year free hd programming and dvr charges along with a free hr21, for letting them install a new mpg4 dish , I bought a hr20 so I could have off air hd. I'm still going to hook my hr10 back up and kiss the hr20 goodbye. I plan to keep my other directivo too. If we loose all mpg2 then I will have to re evaluate.
     
  14. Richierich

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    What does DLB stand for???
     
  15. fetzervalve

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    DLB = Dual Live Buffer - which I don't really miss...... But I do miss the rest of the Tivo interface. My 10 year old could do a better interface than this HR21 has, very lacking in visual appeal and very poor on use of screen space.

    I really liked the Tivo guide, I also liked the fact that I could see when a recorded show was not a full recording - Tivo listed "partial" (and the length) in Now Playing, so you knew that snow had gotten on the dish and you didn't get the whole show when you started watching it, now I have to find out that the last 10 mins are missing when I get there!

    Tivo gave me a lot of info that I took for granted then, and now I miss it. Everyone talks about how fast the HR2x's are, well, it's fast on a season pass but not on much else, the channel changing takes forever as do most button press responses.

    I want my TIVO!!
     
  16. Xaa

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    If they came out with an MPEG4 TiVo, I would try it but it would have something to prove. I surely wouldn't want the HR10-250 to be MPEG4 compatible, I'd stay with the HR20 for sure.

    I, unlike some, find the interface to be different, but very intuitive. Non-DVR friends and family pick up the HR20 interface much more quickly than they do the TiVo.

    Speed, well I would assume a new TiVo would do something about those horribly long wait times for almost everything.

    Right now, since overshoot was put in many months ago, TiVo would have to prove it to me again. As of today the hR20-700 is the best DVR I've ever owned and I've owned SA TiVo's, DirecTiVo's, the HR10-250 and ReplayTV.

    This is a personal preference thing, so everyone should base it on his/her own experiences.
     
  17. raott

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    I used to have to set up all series links for my wife when we had the Tivo in the main room. She wanted one the other day for some new show on the HR20 and I said let me show you how. Hit Guide - find your show - hit the red R twice.

    She said "that's it???". I said yep, its one thing they made a vast improvement on.

    With that said, the SL limits have to go, push and hold anything needs to go and DLB needs to be added.

    No reason, IMO, that the HR20 should be a step backward in any feature.
     
  18. Zepes

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    HR needs some tweaks (like to do), but I don't miss the Tivo. I don't miss Tivo at all.
     
  19. Que

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    :welcome_s to the forum drh!

    Your best bet is to tell DirecTV yourself. Not on a forum or even an email. Snail mail them! We have two letters to send out about DLB or just make something up yourself but, be sure and put your account number and name on it. DLB Letters
     
  20. Milominderbinder2

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    Then you are going to like the new national release that is coming out!

    They made some really important corrections that now give us an solid DLB workaround. You can flip back and forth with one click.

    Here are some things you will like:
    DLB Workaround
    Enhanced Search
    Remote Booking
    New Online Suggestions
    → 30 Second Skip enabled by doing a Keyword Search for 30SKIP
    → Adult Channel Blocking - removes them from Guide and search results
    → Mediashare supports Video now in addition to photos and music
    → Shortcut for Closed Caption On/Off
    → Prioritizer works even when no upcoming episodes are scheduled
    → Guide: Channel Color shadding to represent subscribed vs unsubscribed channels

    The down side it that you have to give them your To Do button to get it. Seriously. It's true. No one could make stuff like that up.

    You will see that there was plenty of room to keep To Do on the new menu.

    Take these polls if you haven't already.

    How Do You Use The To Do Button?

    How Often Do You Use Your To Do Button?

    - Craig
     
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