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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Tips and Resources' started by Doug Brott, Oct 24, 2006.
The Poll spoke .. the winner was clear.
Winner? WTF? Who cares?
Almost 30% of the respondants felt the 30-second "slip" was not an acceptable workaround. So, at least 24 people (probably more since the poll is now closed, and many people were unaware of its existance) still wish for a true 30-second skip. As such, it should be added to the wish list. Or, does that make too much sense?
Also, the key word in the poll is "workaround". I don't think anybody wished for a 30-second skip workaround. They wished for a 30-second skip...period.
Gary, it's clear that you are not happy with the 30-second skip being removed from the HR20 Wish List Survey. I don't have much to offer you to solve that problem. For better or worse, I have chosen a format for adding and removing items from the list. This particular item was highly valued by some folks (including me) but a substantial re-work of the algorithms resulted in a fix that nearly 70% of the respondents agreed was a suitable workaround. Clearly you're not in that majority.
If you don't like the HR20 Wish List Survey, then don't participate. It is a free and open resource that I have tried to make valuable to both the discerning public AND DirecTV. While I have had zero contact with DirecTV regarding this survey, I believe the current format provides a useful means for communicating what is really important to the majority of HR20 users.
Gary, Thank You for taking the time to both research the details and providing your opinion.
Ah, missed this part ...
The term is "suitable workaround" meaning that the new feature can suitably replace the original feature request.
Oh That's too bad. I wasn't really lobbying to remove it (although that may well be valid given it's lack of popularity). I really wanted a good explanation that might have tied it to the problem that I've seen. Years ago I invested in a very high end surround sound system and the Digital Dolby that D* provides SUCKS! It is hardly "surround", almost all sound (fairly good stereo) comes from the front channels and only a stray sound anywhere in the surrround. (Even my wife says no more PPV -- we'll rent DVDs.) In addition, the bass is severely compressed -- we get loud low tones, not real sub-bass.
So I had hoped that someone could explain DD+ (improve the DD?) and "pass on the DD+ stream over HDMI as LPCM" may be 2-channel PCM stereo via HDMI (which my proamp could decode to multi-channel surround). But even if that's true, it's not clear to me and I think the key is improving the AC3 (Digital Dolby) and giving us an uncompressed soundtrack. (I'll be glad to take all the help I can get on this interpretation and explanation.)
That's right. It's your ball, and I don't have to play anymore, if I don't like your rules. Well, you can't have any of my ice cream then!
Hopefully, there are other ways to convey the importance of such a basic DVR feature as 30-second skip to the powers that be at D*. I got the impression from Earl's posts that they sometimes used these forums as a gauge. I guess I gave more importance to this survey than it deserved.
And, as long as a some users wish for a feature, it should be added to any wish list that is created. It does not matter if it is the majority of users or not. The majority may be happy because they've never experienced a proper instant skip function.
In any case, a DVR without a 30-second skip is like a car without turn signals. Sure. Some people don't use them. Sure. Sticking your arm out the window can be considered a "suitable workaround". But, it isn't. And, neither is "slip". They are both inferior alternatives.
Anyway, I apologize for having this strange compulsion for stuff to make sense, and any inconvenience it may have caused.
Thanks, I'll go through these sources and recheck my concerns and be more specific. I appreciate the response -- at least no I know that it was someone's (yours) considered opinion rather than a D* statement of what is fact (at least to them).
Coming in on the other side of this, I doubt and surely hope that D* isn't trying to please everyone on every wish. As Doug identified in his original definition of purpose, the intent is to PRIORITIZE the wishes. If some wishes have so few adherents, they are dropped. If many want it badly they get bumped up.
As for taking his ball, COM'ON! The groundrules were defined, he uses them as a guide, and he backs off when he breaks his own rules. What more can you ask for? -- oh, that's right... I want a Carolina Blue ball instead of that pukey NCS red ball. (Now I did it -- all my points just went straight to the dung pit.)
Thanks. I always say, "If you haven't pissed someone off today, then now is a good time!"
I think that wording is good. (Although I have to wonder if this item would be accepted better if it was recognized that Restore Delete would eat up the hard drive fast and is not likely to happen.)
Also, whatever the previous responses were, I think they are entitled to have the responses maintained. (Bet they all wanted Restore Delete.)
That is a pretty "extreme" example.
What did you with a TiVo before version 3 came out and the wonderfull backdoor slip code... that is still a backdoor code (that is not documented in the manual) as of version 8, I believe.
Is it because of the advertisers? Sure... ask Replay what happened when they had a "SKIP" function for commercials.
And for brott's case... The items in this list where derived from responses from this forum. And the removal of items are also derived from responses in the forum.
BTW... welcome to DirecTV land... What made you come over to the "darkside"..
As to Double Dash Confirm...
Right now we two ways to delete items in My Playlist
1. The two step method is Dash > Dash.
2. The three step method is Select > Delete > Confirm.
What richlife is asking is that both would be three step methods.
richlife is not asking for a new feature. He is asking that an existing feature be removed and his new feature be used in it's place. Before we do that, could we have a poll to see what users think?
Would you like the two step delete (Dash>Dash) replaced in My Playlist with a three step process with a confirmation.
I think that we should be careful when we are adding a request to remove a feature.
The real problem today with double dash is not with that feature at all, it is with the animations. Remove the animations and double dash would be fast. Writing the animation module was hard. Valving in back out is easy. The problem is that a PM will not admit he made a mistake.
I would like to see a pan up/down for the crop mode. Some programs view fine when you only see the middle, but some seem strange with everyones head choped off.
Suggested Rewording of an Item...
Nine of the Missing Promised Features are purely bugs. They are documented in the manual. There are like a new car with windows that don't work. That's a bug.
Some bugs like the Guide Bug make the HR20 do the wrong thing. The new interface as CES next week should solve that. But it ain't here yet.
Some bugs like the Channels I Receive Bug steal basic functionallity from the HR20. The CIR Bug is the cause for the Search Bug and one of the Autorecord Bugs. I think that when the CIR Bug is fixed, we may see that the CIB Bug was the cause for some BSOD and other bugs.
Some bugs are intermittant like the Wrong Info Bug. Have you noticed that the Wrong Info Bug is ranked now as more important than Dual Buffers?
I think that we should consider a tweak to the wording of one of our existing Wishlist items. If we are asking that the HR20 just do what the manual says it already does, we are in a stronger position than when we ask for a new feature.
Here is the current item as an Ease of Use Feature Request:
More functional search (ignore "The" and "A" at start of title, better search logic - AND, OR, NOT, include at sign (@) and colon : character)
I think it is a Missing Promised Feature:
Search "with your desired...keyword" p. 2 - Allow @, :, etc. & better search logic - AND, OR, NOT. Ignore "The" and "A" in titles.
Until they fix Search, you will not be able to look for keywords like "CSI: NY" or "Dallas @ Chicago".
Also, at the bottom of the Take the Survey Screen, there is a thank you to dbstalk that I think has been cut off.
Doug, thank you for all that you do. I think that you have very very true to the guidelines you have set out. I cannot imaging the hours you have spent on us.
I agree with Gary.
Would this meet your needs?
#28 3.587↓ The ability to adjust screen horizontal & vertical position & size in each Format.
That would br even better, but a bit more complicated to execute. #28 3.587 is asking for a variable zoom and strech, I like it!
I just updated the survey, I don't remeber seeing that one before.
I think that we already have a better Auto-tune than the one we are requesting:
62 2.288↓ The ability to auto-tune to a channel - same as if recording program without actually recording it
Before DVRs, auto-tuning a movie went like this:
1. You find the movie in the guide and schedule it.
2. Just before the movie starts, you are asked if you want to change channels.
The HR20 does exactly this with one important new feature added:
3. At the end of the movie you will be asked if you want to keep or delete it.
So if my wife goofs and Auto-tunes instead of Records her movie, she loses the option to save the movie. What is the benefit of that? What is the harm is allowing the user the option to save or delete the program she auto-tuned?
If they did implement our Auto-tune feature, I hope that we would have the option to save the program once we saw it.
That is exactly what Record already does.
Thanks for your feedback. However, to be true to what I have said in the past, I'm going to add this request back onto the list as I have noted. Here is my statement from 10-Nov-2006
While Rich is but one person, his insistence counts as an up swell to me. This was one of the original HR20 Wish List Survey items from the first Wish List thread. It's only fair for me to be consistent. If the item works it's way off the list appropriately, then that's a different story.
HR20 Wish List Changes 05-Jan-2007 - Complete List of changes - Guidelines for changes
Additions to the List
05-Jan-2007 The ability to manually tune to an available over-the-air channel when the guide data is wrong [Spoffo]
05-Jan-2007 The ability to auto scan for over-the-air channels [HDSeeker]
05-Jan-2007 A confirm delete after hitting Dash-Dash in My Playlist or the Prioritizer [rkester, richlife] back by popular request removal
05-Jan-2007 A "Live TV" indicator when any FF mode reaches the end of the Live TV buffer [jayk]
Negative padding - the ability to start any recording late and/or end it early => Negative Padding - The ability to automatically adjust a recording (start late/end early) by a user definable number of minutes
Removed from the list
Chopping Block - will be removed if significantly negative again next Friday
2.494 scrolling title in the mini guide - length of title display area is too short
2.469 User based Grouping - ability to group your recordings in to user created folders so that different people can quickly see which of their programs are available for viewing
2.429 HD programs with DD+, and the ability to pass decoded DD+ stream in LPCM over HDMI
Saved from the Chopping Block - past weeks values noted
2.000 Allow per-title permanent parental unblocking regardless of whether or not parental controls are active or inactive barely
= marked as "unlikely to be implemented"
Different people watch TV in different ways. I agree with you that this would be a useless feature addition, because I would never use it. However, it is probably easy to implement. The reason that it is on the list is due to a specific request to be added. That being said, it is receiving a low value in the Survey. I would not be shocked it if became significantly negative in the future.