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Discussion in 'DIRECTV - H24/HR24 Field Trial (private)' started by seern, May 1, 2010.
Every 10 minutes?
Is that accurate?! I can go at least 30 minutes usually without an issue?!
I've now watched over 12 hours of MRV viewing with the HR24-100 as a client and server - no issues, hiccups, or lockups at all.
I'm with you Alan - if someone is getting those kinds of problems every 10 minutes...there's either a network issue or an IRD issue.
Sure seems like it.
All I can say is this; with any other combination, MRV has been flawless since day one (well, my day one anyway). With the HR24 as the client.....useless. Any trickplay yields a lockup. And lately, the black screen of death on channel change is happening with increasing frequency (including the very first channel change after Friday's CE).
Friday night (post-CE) and all day Saturday, I didn't have a single lockup or loss of audio.
Sunday, I had multiple losses of audio requiring restarts, and one case of a lockup.
Tonight, since I asked that question, I've had three lockups in the last 30 minutes.
It's not unsual for me to get maybe one loss of audio or lockup within an hour, but three within 30 minutes is horrible! The only difference I can find between last night and tonight is the rain knocking out my KA signal?!?!
I had a brief respite in the rain, and I was able to get through the last 45 minutes of an hour-long program I was watching without any loss of audio or lock-ups.
Surely it's coincidence, but it's weird nonetheless...
Like Alan, I had no issues Saturday night and there were several swaps using DP and recorded programs. I also had no issues Sunday night.
Then last night after about an hour and half with no issues, BAM, loss of audio coming out of TP. Its weird that everything can be going along fine and then lose audio, but then the same recording will play fine via MRV on another unit.
Is your audio being delivered over the HDMI connection? If so, I wonder if it may be related to the "black screen/no audio" problem, which I also suspect is HDMI-related?
Just a thought, because I've never experienced the "no audio after local or MRV trickplay", but I'm connected TOSLINK to my home theater receiver. I'm connected HDMI directly to the TV, but I never listen to TV audio in this room.
That said, even with TOSLINK, I have experienced the "black screen/no audio" coming out of standby. REPLAY fixes it tho.
Mine is delivered via HDMI, but I'm not sure it's an HDMI problem. I'm not familiar with the mechanics of HDMI enough to question the idea though. HDCP issues perhaps?!
80% of the time, any loss of audio is a precursor for a lock-up... requiring a RBR.
I've managed to figure out that if I go ahead and restart it, I don't get lock-ups, or if I'm recording something, I can go ahead and put it on standby, and then restart it later without getting a lock-up.
I also think it's EXTREMELY weird, though most likely a coincidence, that my HR24-100 was acting up worse than ever last night, but once the rain let up enough to not interfere with my KA signal, it worked fine the rest of the night. However, the majority of the times I've had these problems, the weather was fair.
If it is an HDMI/HDCP "handshake" issue, it's possible every time you recover from a "771" a new "handshake" takes place. That might explain why it was worse during the storm. Just grasping for an explanation that fits the facts, tho.
And if all this is HDMI-related, it could also explain why some of us are having issues and some aren't, depending on how well the handshaking has been tuned so far for our individual displays or home theater receivers. One way to test this theory would be to connect via component video instead, if possible, and TOSLINK, coax or L/R audio. If the problems persist, then it's not an HDMI issue.
There have been a few similar HDMI issues like that on the HR24-500 side...so this is indeed a possibility.
Yes, through a Denon 3806.
But this will be easy enough to check out. I will pull the component/Toslink from my HD DVD player and hook them up to the HR24-100. Then as soon as I have an audio issue, I will swap inputs and see what happens.
Will do this tonight.
Had this occur to me last night. Is this a new feature?
Observation: Progress Bar Visible During 30Skip
Fairly certain that it does not work this way on my R22. I had hit the Play button to see where I was in my current recording playback. I then hit the SkipAhead button, which is set for 30Skip. When I did so, the Progress Bar remained on the screen while the show skipped ahead. I was able to see the time move along as well while it performed the 6 skips I requested. On the R22, as soon as you hit the SkipAhead button, the Progress Bar disappears.
Just tried and was unable to duplicate it on my HR24-100. I checked both a local and MRV recording of last night's Castle.
That said, if there is already a progress bar on screen, like after hitting PLAY, e.g., pressing 30SKIP does not clear it immediately. The bar will "time-out" like it normally does, even if I continue to 30SKIP. That's normal for my HR20's as well, tho.
Sounds like a plan.
I wonder if you shouldn't pull the HDMI plug as well, tho? Even though you will have selected a different Denon output to the TV, the HR24-100 may not know and still try to handshake with the Denon via the HDMI port. I'm not sure how that works. :scratchin
Again, I'm not technically knowledgeable enough when it comes to HDMI/HDCP, nor do I have as much experience with HDMI as others, but this brings up some questions for me.
1. Whatever the problems are with the loss of audio (and lockups), it appears to be connected to TrickPlay. No matter what we don't know, we can be certain TrickPlay plays a part. I've always believed that RW'ing and FF'ing did not necessitate another handshake, but perhaps I'm wrong?!
2. Does everyone who have the loss of audio use HDMI?
3. Again, my lack of experience with HDMI means this might be a stupid question, but whenever I have an HDMI issue (it happens), either changing the input, or turning off the AVR or the item (PS3, HR2x) corrects the issue. With the loss of audio (and frequent lockups), this accomplishes nothing.
That's often how we figure things out!
It's difficult for me to plug the HR24 in via component/optical (given the location of the unit due to also temporarily keeping my HR23-700 in the same room), but I'll try and see what I can figure out tomorrow.
I could be wrong, but I think it depends on what the problem is.
The HR2x's are supposed to output through all outputs, so if it's a simple problem of the HR2x no longer outputting the audio, it won't be an issue. If it's more complicated than that, it could be, and is a very valid point.
FWIW, if anyone's got the time, you may want to browse through some of these "ancient" HR20 threads, starting on page two (Fall of '06) of this search I did for "HD DVR" and "CE" threads with "HDMI" in the title.
As you can see, there were quite a few HDMI issues back then. Since the HR24 is not a Broadcom-based descendant of the HR20, I wonder if some of these HDMI issues will need to be addressed again?
Well, I don't know, but I am using HDMI from the HR24-100 to the Yamaha AVR then to the sammy 42". I have only experienced one of the black screen issues since the push over 2 weeks ago and that was after this week's ce.
I have been having trouble too. My receiver has had the problem after trickplay while using MRV where it will play for a few seconds then stop, then losing audio. The most recent problem was after using trickplay while in the buffer of live tv the receiver just froze. This was the first time I had to do a RBR, all other times I have been able to do a menu restart.
I have a hard time watching more than 3 hours without an issue. I still have my HR22-100 hooked up in the same location and use that receiver most of the time. I switch to the HR24-100 when I get home from work and use it until it freezes, send a report, reboot and switch to the 22. This receiver is a long way from being a primary in my home.
h24-700 working well except for audio drop outs when entering menus of list. Only problem is still error 11 on tv apps