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HR2x and R22 0x034C - Discussion

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Doug Brott, Aug 22, 2009.

  1. xtc

    xtc Legend

    Jun 26, 2004
    I understand, but what logic could possibly justify this?, why can't i just use it when i feel like it, whether it's 1 minute or 5 days later? how can this possibly benefit anyone??? I mean i could understand if there was some kind of advantage to this method but it is obviously nothing more than a nuisance. I mean am i missing something here??? they finally decide to give us what something that they should have done years ago, and they do a half-ass job with it...
  2. HRJustin

    HRJustin Godfather

    Mar 5, 2009
    its simple when its not being used it dumps the background tuner. The main reason is to record D* content in the background for the top movies, showcase etc. I know that most probably don't watch this content. But D* still wants it recorded at some point. Its just how its going to work if you want it active all the time make sure to keep using it. IMO I just don't see the reasoning behind having the background tuner buffering if your not actively swapping between tuners.
  3. bdcottle

    bdcottle Legend

    Mar 28, 2008
    Actually, I thought it was by receiver id.
  4. Sartori

    Sartori Legend

    Nov 15, 2008
    Oh for pity sakes dude, if its causing this much stress in your life maybe you need to get a hobby....
  5. Maruuk

    Maruuk Hall Of Fame

    Dec 4, 2007
    No dedicated slo-mo button for sports after all these years? That alone will sell 100,000 D-Tivo boxes next year.
  6. Syzygy

    Syzygy Hall Of Fame

    Dec 5, 2005
    As I said just above your post, the reason is that they're intent on using the background tuner to record PPV movies (that you didn't ask for and that you'll never buy).
  7. markp2009

    markp2009 New Member

    Feb 3, 2009
    I had been wondering why it needed to be 'enabled' everytime, but this makes quite a bit of sense from DTVs point of view. My question would be, couldn't this be pretty much solved by using a different logic?

    IE, if the unit is on (DP should automatically enable). Once the unit is 'off' (standby), it would know that it has complete control over both tuners, based on the todo list and anything else DTV wanted to do with the tuners. Just an idea though.
  8. Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Jul 12, 2006
    Los Angeles
    Content can be downloaded at any time the background tuner is free .. plain and simple. If you start using the receiver and enable DoublePlay, then the download stops and you get exclusive use of the receiver. Content can be downloaded whenever, not just at 3am or 2am or never, because you're up at those hours.

    These are extras, some of which even you may be interested in.

    When you are done (2 hours after non-use of the remote control), the receiver again has free access to the background tuner by turning off DoublePlay. By doing things this way, the tuner either belongs to you exclusive or DIRECTV as needed. DIRECTV will not interrupt your use of DoublePlay regardless of the time of day.

    Again .. the ONLY thing different from TiVo is that you will not have access to random content on ONE tuner (one tuner will continue to have the random content you already get). There's no reason to concentrate on this one aspect as every other aspect of DoublePlay is better than TiVo's implementation.
  9. Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Jul 12, 2006
    Los Angeles
    Would work well for every person that puts their unit in standby every night. Not everyone does that, so it's simply not a reliable way to handle the problem.
  10. Syzygy

    Syzygy Hall Of Fame

    Dec 5, 2005
    And of course D* couldn't possibly give the customer the power to decide whether and when to disable the recording of PPV movies. :nono:
  11. TXD16

    TXD16 Icon

    Oct 29, 2008
    It always comes down to this speed thing with you, doesn't it? ;)

    Actually, I can just barely manage to concentrate on one screen at a time as it is, so I fell into the non-PIP using camp even when I had it available.

    And just for the record (again), I, too, would like to see a significant, focused effort on speeding up the current top-of-the-line DVRs.
  12. celticpride

    celticpride Icon

    Sep 6, 2006
    How long will it take for everyone to get this new software update? I still dont have the update on either of my hd dvrs (hr22-100 and hr20-100)?
  13. hasan

    hasan Well-Known Member

    Sep 22, 2006
    Ogden, IA
    It can easily take a few weeks, so one has to be patient.
  14. Steve

    Steve Well-Known Member

    Aug 22, 2006
    I noticed what I consider a minor UI inconsistency that some may not agree is the case.

    Now that we have an option to cancel single TO DO LIST recordings or their parent SL's via the RED button, shouldn't a similar choice be offered when attempting to delete AUTORECORD shows? I.e., delete either a single episode, or the AUTORECORD as well.
  15. SlimyPizza

    SlimyPizza Legend

    Oct 14, 2006
    But, it's not the ONLY thing that's different. You have to manually activate DP when you want to use it. That's the big difference.

    Here's an idea that could be easy to implement. Why can't DTV use the background tuner after 2 hrs of remote inactivity (to record PPV and other stuff we don't really want) but automatically revert to DP mode once the remote becomes active again? Having this occur automatically allows DTV to have use of the 2nd tuner and the user to have seemingly always-on DP.
  16. TheRatPatrol

    TheRatPatrol Hall Of Fame

    Oct 1, 2003
    Phoenix, AZ
    Some have said that the chips can do PIP, others have said that it could not.

    They could set it up like the mix channels, where you could use a yellow box to select whichever screen you wanted to hear and change channels in.

    I would want it too, it would be great to "see" 2 games at once.

    And Vizio, they can do dual HD screens at the same time. My old RPTV had PIP, but could not do 2 HD pictures at the same time. I had PIP on my old Ultimate TV DVR and used it all the time for sports.

    Speaking of PIP, does anyone know of a device that you can hook up to a regular TV and have it do PIP, say 2 to 4 devices hooked up to it to produce 2 to 4 screens? I guess you could just get 2 or more TVs in the same room to do the same thing. ;)
  17. Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Jul 12, 2006
    Los Angeles
    you use the down arrow to turn it on .. You use the down arrow to toggle tuners .. It's not that big a deal. If you're not using it then it doesn't matter if it's on or off, right? :shrug:
    (except for that aforementioned random content that is random because you didn't plan for it by either recording or turning DP on so you can see it)

    As for turning on when background tuner is not in use .. Sure, except that the background buffer could be anywhere from 1 minute to 90 minutes depending on when it actually stopped. Depending on the frequency of download it could be more often closer to 10 minutes than 90 minutes, so folks would wonder "why can't it always be 90 minutes?" The method DIRECTV uses gives you exclusive access during the time DP is on. They will not make use of the tuner during this period. When you are no longer using it, the tuner is available for use at any time and when you return, you know you have 90 minutes of random content on the foreground tuner and zero minutes of random content on the background tuner .. always the same.

    Simply turn on DP when you start your viewing if your plan is to watch two live programs at the same time.

    I suspect most people just watch recordings anyway except for special situations (namely sports, but there are other situations). DoublePlay is meaningless when watching a recording.
  18. Syzygy

    Syzygy Hall Of Fame

    Dec 5, 2005
    A few months ago I twice inadvertently deleted a complex 4-title Autorecord by pressing the Red button twice in the ToDo list on a scheduled episode (a duplicate) that had been added individually -- that is, it hadn't been placed automatically on the ToDo list because of the Autorecord. (The first press changes the R-in-a-circle to 3 R's, and the second press erases the R's entirely.)

    Needless to say, the deletion of such an Autorecord can cause a lot of extra work if you haven't still got the search that it was based on.

    So I think your wish has already been answered. Be careful what you wish for. ;)
  19. cdc101

    cdc101 Godfather

    Jan 8, 2007
    That would be pretty cool.
  20. Drew2k

    Drew2k New Member

    Aug 16, 2006
    To be honest, I'm very happy with DoublePlay but would be even happier if we did have an indicator in the Info Banner that conveyed the status of DoublePlay.

    When DP was not active, it could be a "button" alongside "More Info" that simply says "Start DoublePlay".

    When DP is active, it could be a button that displays the channel and name of the program on the other tuner, as in this mock-up below (which now I would drop the "Tuner" reference, but say something like... "DoublePlay: Go to Campbell Brown" or similar.)

    Selecting the button in either scenario would swap tuners.

    I would love a feature such as this ...


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