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HR2x/R22 0x368: Is your Hard Drive loud?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Doug Brott, Nov 11, 2009.

Is your Hard Drive loud?

  1. Yes, I would describe it as loud

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  2. No, I would not describe it as loud

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  1. Nov 12, 2009 #61 of 500
    andunn27

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    I have terrible hard drive noise coming from my DVR and it started after the last 2 updates. Super quiet up until then
     
  2. Nov 12, 2009 #62 of 500
    KoRn

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    Voted yes. You cannot hear it when watching tv and what not. But when it is dead silent. It is grinding away even when off. It was never like this before until these last couple major updates. So some thing has changed to cause the issue.
     
  3. Nov 13, 2009 #63 of 500
    andy A

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    Voted yes. HR20-700, started 2 updates ago with 034C and continues with 368 although not as often. Is not a continuous loudness but a sporadic loud thrashing. If I am watching a recording and the HD starts the thrashing it will sometimes cause the playback (audio & video) to stutter. I have had this HR for approx 3+ yrs.
     
  4. Nov 13, 2009 #64 of 500
    TBlazer07

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    Then I guess I have 3 HR20 hard drives that are all going bad at the same time. :rolleyes:

    The increased disk "thrashing" will be more obvious to some than to others depending on where their receiver is located, their hearing sensitivity and what their "annoyance level" may be. I can assure you it has increased markedly since recent software updates.

    As you can see by the receiver location in the picture WHY I might be able to notice it more then some others who have the receiver in location when the noise would be "damped." And yes, the noise is the same with or without the CD cases on top of the box. :) I have had one HR20 or another there for years which would make it quite easy to notice a change in day to day sounds. The noise in question is "head thrashing" and not noises you might expect from a dying hard drive like ball bearing or motor sound. It used to be virtually silent, and that has been for years.

    EDIT: With the most recent update (CE) it has improved somewhat but when the last NR came out it was horrible. NOW (CE) the activity is more spread apart (hours between incidences) but just as "frantic." When I had the last (current) N/R the bursts of loud activity came much more often and before this all started the box was virtually silent with regard to head "thrashing."

    EDIT EDIT: This HR20-100 rarely is doing any recording and never has any programs stored on it for more then a couple hours. It's just an "in case of a conflict box" that serves a small TV in the kitchen via a 25' composite cable and my monitor with a 2' component cable.

    Oh, the artwork behind the monitor is the work of my grandkids. :lol:

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  5. Nov 13, 2009 #65 of 500
    lflorack

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    More active? Yes, absolutely. There is definitely more disk activity -- i.e., head movement/thrashing.
    Is this increased activity loud enough to be considered load or distracting? No. I can hear it, but it's not loud.

    HR20-700 -- Installed 04/16/07
    HR20-100 -- Installed 10/13/07
     
  6. Nov 13, 2009 #66 of 500
    hunter65

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    The only noise I hear is a 1/2 second "whine" before it freezes up. HR21-700
     
  7. Nov 13, 2009 #67 of 500
    Herdfan

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    I have one HR20-700 (my original from 10/06) in the MBR. Drive chatters all night. This just started happening within the last month. Starting to get annoying. This is my only unit (1 of 4) still using the stock drive and the one I notice the most.

    Looking at swapping it with my H21 in my office or seeing if an external drive will be quieter.
     
  8. Nov 13, 2009 #68 of 500
    VaJim

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    I have 2 HR-21-700. One of them sounds like a power generator at times. Hummmmmmmm.:eek2:
     
  9. Nov 13, 2009 #69 of 500
    Hutchinshouse

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    Ok, this morning the HR20-700 in my bedroom was loud. Sounded like a little jackhammer.
     
  10. Nov 13, 2009 #70 of 500
    Richierich

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    Listen Guys, this is a New Directv Service intended to Stress your Hard Drive to see if it is Marginal so it can be replaced. And the Best part is that this is a Free Service. You didn't even have to apply for it!!! LOL!!! :lol:
     
  11. Nov 13, 2009 #71 of 500
    the_batman

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    Mine often sounds like a "coffee percolator",for those that remember those days.
     
  12. Nov 13, 2009 #72 of 500
    Doug Brott

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    Regardless of the sarcasm here, I will say that having drive activity is better than virtually no activity in terms of drive reliability. So there is a valid reason to exercise (or "stress") the drive at times.

    That being said, the point I just stated is a side-effect, not a reason.
     
  13. Nov 13, 2009 #73 of 500
    TBlazer07

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    THAT sounds like a bad hard-drive. Did you run the diag test? Do a reset and when you see "checking hardware" message on the screen hit SELECT button for the diag menu.

     
  14. Nov 13, 2009 #74 of 500
    TBlazer07

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    There is constant drive activity when recording or buffering so I don't think lack of this periodic "frenetic drive thrashing" which hasn't existed since the dawn of the HR20 is there to increase the drive's reliability.

    Bottom line is that if that is the way it has to be to process more information to give us more features, so be it. It has been brought up because it is something new and out of the ordinary that people are hearing and reporting. Those who pass it off by saying that "it's a failing hard drive" or that it "doesn't exist" are not helping matters either.

    The question in the poll "Is your hard drive loud" really isn't the right question because "loud" is relative and has many factors that could mask it. Maybe it should have been something like "Are you hearing much more noticeable drive activity then you have in the past."



     
  15. Nov 13, 2009 #75 of 500
    bobcamp1

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    OK -- I meant to say "loud" and not just "noise". :) But these results are skewed if people say "I don't think it's loud but I have it in an cabinet all the time. So I voted no." Plus, the sudden increase in activity doesn't happen all the time. So opening the door for five seconds and listening to it isn't going to tell you anything. The problem is that it's quiet and suddenly starts making a lot of noise, and even disrupts the audio/video. It's distracting.

    I'm trying to see if the manufacturers are using different model hard drives for the same exact model of DVR. I would bet that the manufacturers have part shortages or obsolescence issues, and they are using two or three different model hard drives for the same exact model number of DVR. Some hard drives are louder than others. That plus a software release that now exercises the drive could account for the sudden increase in noise in only some of the DVRs.

    I doubt they're performing hard drive scans during normal operation. That would slow things down too much. Besides, the only scan that would make that much noise is the butterfly scan, and there's NO WAY anyone would be foolish enough to run that test during normal operation.
     
  16. Nov 13, 2009 #76 of 500
    bobcamp1

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    Nope, that's wrong. You're thinking about leaving the hard drive on a shelf for years where things might seize up. That's won't happen on a modern hard drive unless it's already defective before it goes on the shelf.

    The DVR is the worse-case scenario for reliability because the drive is in constant use and inadequately ventilated. It's already in use 24x7. There's no need to further exercise it to maintain reliability.

    Having said that, hard drives are supposed to tolerate this increased level of activity without any problems. So no one should be worried that this new activity will cause their DVRs to die. It would accelerate an already occurring death, though.
     
  17. Nov 13, 2009 #77 of 500
    TBlazer07

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    Absolutely right on. I've also tried a totally different drive in my owned box and it does the same thing but on that drive "normal" operation IS a slight bit louder but the "sudden" activity we are referring to is the same. Sounds like 50 squirrels with big heavy feet running around in the attic. :)


     
  18. Nov 13, 2009 #78 of 500
    Doug Brott

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    I talking more about spinning in place not being shelved. I'd think that in general a shelved drive would be OK if stored properly and we're not talking about decades.
     
  19. Nov 13, 2009 #79 of 500
    Doug Brott

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    OK .. you want to skew the results towards it "being loud" by forcing folks to change their environment. I'm actually trying to determine who thinks it's loud based on how their environment is set. TBlazer for example has a setup that is similar to mine. Yeah, I hear the drive, it's 3 feet from my head. I don't consider it loud. If it were enclosed I probably wouldn't even hear it. I'm sure if you put someone else in the same location as me, they would call it loud. There are way too many variables to try and get real scientific data. You either think it's loud or you don't and that's all I'm asking.

    I suspect the difference in noise is more a factor of environment and tolerance levels than difference in drives. It would be great if the noise were more constant as it would be more like white noise than a distraction.

    I think you may be equating DVR data with PC data .. they are not the same thing.
     
  20. Nov 13, 2009 #80 of 500
    Doug Brott

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    Ha funny you should bring that up .. The squirrel that jumps onto my roof in the mornings is actually louder than the HDD in my HR20-700.
     
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