HR2X vs. TiVo: A comparison

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Capmeister, Jan 1, 2010.

  1. Capmeister

    Capmeister Large Hairless ApeCutting Edge: ECHELON '08

    Sep 16, 2003
    Honestly, I wouldn't wait for the new DIRECTiVo. Get some HR2x units--they're cheaper and really have most features. I'd say the biggest thing they don't have is undelete. If he doesn't use that a lot, go for the change.
  2. Richierich

    Richierich Hall Of Fame

    Jan 10, 2008
    It is a Great Article or Writeup and with a few tweaks it will be a great tool for discussion with others I know who are in between the two as I was a couple of years ago.

    I was a TIVOHOLIC but now that Directv has enhanced their HR2X DVRs I am very pleased with them with a couple of exceptions that I hope get added soon. The Undelete Function would be great as well as adding more Series Links and ability to Edit Search Arguments.

    I will be really interested to see what the New Directivo will contain and will buy one as soon as it is available just to test it out and see the differences in that and the new HR24.
  3. Scott Kocourek

    Scott Kocourek Well-Known Member

    Jun 13, 2009

    Nice write up. It is nice to see someone give a nice comparison.
  4. sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member

    Sep 5, 2006
    Allen, TX fanboy kool-aide drinker! j/k! ;)

    It was very well written.
  5. Shades228

    Shades228 DaBears

    Mar 18, 2008
    Not sure where you would want to add this but the tap R once to record is standard on both but the tap 2 times to series link or 3 times to cancel is something I'd miss a lot.
  6. bidger

    bidger Hall Of Fame

    Nov 19, 2005
  7. Grentz

    Grentz New Member

    Jan 10, 2007
    That is a sweet feature. It is little things like that which make me love the DirecTV DVRs UI in comparison to the old DirecTivo.
  8. Shades228

    Shades228 DaBears

    Mar 18, 2008
    Can't remember but I don't think with Tivo you could delete shows in the list you had to go into each and delete. The Double Dash is something I'd miss too if Tivo doesn't have that feature.
  9. ziggy29

    ziggy29 Icon

    Nov 18, 2004
    Portland DMA
    YES. We get OTA through the tuner on our HR20, and the lack of a channel scan to find new channels and subchannels is *extremely* annoying. Our ABC affiliate just launched a new subchannel and we're at the mercy of it being placed into the channel guide. Very, very bad implementation.
  10. Shades228

    Shades228 DaBears

    Mar 18, 2008
    There's an email address you can email to request them to update it, for tribune media, if you search for it.
  11. TomCat

    TomCat Broadcast Engineer

    Aug 31, 2002
    Well, Cap, I was all set to savage you (not really :grin:) for writing this article about two years too late (it is, after all, pretty much a rehash of what all of us had already gleaned before then); and it sounds most suspiciously like you might be a compulsive serial article writer that might be out of a job yet just can't kick the habit. And, I'm not sure at this point that we all need to be subjected, unsolicited, to what is already obvious by now to many of us one more time.

    But we should all cut you a total break, specifically, because of the quote above. Readers can safely disregard the redundant report altogether, but I could not agree more with your editorial stance taken at the end, and this is a position I have been supporting by crying out in the wilderness to apparently deaf ears for a very long time, so it is good to see that someone actually agrees with me about that. You did kind of bury the lead, tho.

    But thanks sincerely for contributing, and keep posting.

    Don't forget, DTV swallowed the Replay technology as well, which also bodes well for the future of DTV DVRs.
  12. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

    Jun 18, 2006
    Two years too late? Maybe, maybe not. I know that Capmeister has an interesting perspective, having had TiVo, then giving it up, and then having it again.
  13. Ken_F

    Ken_F Godfather/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

    Jan 13, 2003
    TiVo added single-click delete and folder delete when they added the "Recently Deleted" (undelete) feature. I believe that feature found its way to DirecTiVos about 1.5 years ago.

    Wishlists represent one of the most powerful record features available on any DVR. I would suggest you take a minute or two to learn how that feature can be used to automate recording of the non-series programs you watch every year.

    For more information on what you can do with wishlists, see this FAQ. For some examples with instructions, refer to the TiVo Tips section.
  14. tralfaz

    tralfaz Duplicate User (Account Closed)

    Oct 31, 2009
    For some. I had tivo's for 5 years and never used wishlists, even though I was well aware of what they were and what they were for.
  15. Ken_F

    Ken_F Godfather/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

    Jan 13, 2003
    I don't know when you last used wishlists, but TiVo completely revamped the functionality in their 9.1 software for standalones. I haven't used a HR10 lately, so I don't whether it got those features. I know the older DirecTiVos didn't.
  16. tralfaz

    tralfaz Duplicate User (Account Closed)

    Oct 31, 2009
    I never used wishlists. Never saw the need, regardless of the functionality.
  17. Groundhog45

    Groundhog45 Hall Of Fame

    Nov 9, 2005
    Cedar Park,...
    Capmeister thanks for a well thought-out review. I don't think it is two years too late, and will be even more timely when/if the new DirecTV HD Tivo is released. I'll probably stay with my HR2x's unless DirecTV wants me to field test a new DirecTV HD Tivo. :D
  18. tonyd79

    tonyd79 Hall Of Fame

    Jul 24, 2006
    Columbia, MD
    Cap's writeup is very good. We differ a bit on choices here and there but as I consistently use my HR2x's and an HD Tivo for Comcast, I agree with his information for the vast majority of it.

    I do find my HR20-700 much faster and less balky than my Tivo but I find my HR21-100 far worse than the Tivo, so the HR platform seems to matter not just the software.

    One thing about CC on the Tivo. It is not that bad to turn on and off. Bring up the info banner, slide down to the CC icon (4 down arrows) and select. You have to clear the banner or wait for it to clear but it works pretty quickly. From your writeup, Cap, I am thinking you are going deep into the menus to get to it. The HR is 3 to 4 button clicks and the Tivo is 6 to 7 but the 5 to 6 are pretty easy as they are mostly the same button over and over again.

    The big thing I miss from the old HR10 days on the Tivo is that the down arrow no longer toggles the dual buffers. The independent buffers on the HR2x are much better than the Tivo buffers in terms of channel changes and using the down arrow. The only thing the Tivo has on the HR2x in that regard is that it is always on, but then again, I find the few times that that is important to me to be minimal, especially since it is 30 minutes and not 90. The HR2x implementation wins on channel selection and length of buffer over the Tivo (as well as the actual key implementation, which Tivo went backward on).

    Overall, while the HD Tivo is a step up from the HR10 in speed and functions, I find myself far more comfortable with the HR2x series in terms of usefulness and ergonomics. Neither is perfect but the Tivo feels clunky to me. Old.
  19. Capmeister

    Capmeister Large Hairless ApeCutting Edge: ECHELON '08

    Sep 16, 2003
    I know all about it, and know how to use it. I just don't. :) I know what is on TV, and know what I wish to record.

    Also, let me say I was not attempting to write a manual or compare EVERY feature on both DVR systems. I was merely giving MY personal impressions/thoughts as an end user who went to DirecTV for the TiVo, and stayed because of the HR2x, and now has returned to TiVo mainly because DirecTV's DVRs are limited to DirecTV. ;)

    As for my being an article writer who is out of a job (as someone, not you, however, humorously suggested)... nope, sorry. I'm a systems admin by day, and have authored several books. While I have a degree in journalism, I've not had a newspaper column in years.
  20. Capmeister

    Capmeister Large Hairless ApeCutting Edge: ECHELON '08

    Sep 16, 2003
    Ah, I didn't know that! Awesome!!!

    I noticed that, but they merely switched it to the LIVE TV button. Hit it for one buffer, hit it again for the other buffer.

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