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HR2x Wish List, V3

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Steve, Aug 6, 2007.

  1. Nov 26, 2007 #641 of 1819
    Dr_J

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    The ability to create a WishList-equivalent without it autorecording. I don't want stuff I don't care about or have already seen autorecording and taking up hard drive space. I'd like to be able to peruse a WishList every couple of weeks to see if there's anything in it that's worth recording, and then I'll make the decision to do so.
     
  2. Nov 26, 2007 #642 of 1819
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    Unless I'm misunderstanding your request, I believe you can do that now via "saved" KEYWORD SEARCHES. With Boolean (AANY, AALL, NNOT) support available in the latest CE, this makes the saved searches even more descriminating, and you can run them whenever you like. There's a thread on this topic here.

    That being said, I believe a new Wish List request to "manage" saved searches might be in order. Currently you are limited to 25 searches and if you exceed that limit, your most recent SEARCH will bump the oldest. E.g., a user should have the option to selectively DELETE SEARCHES that are no longer useful, and perhaps be able to rename those that are stored.

    I invite others to weigh-in on this idea. :) /steve
     
  3. Nov 26, 2007 #643 of 1819
    TigerDriver

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    Let's step back a minute. Fundamentally, my proposal is based on the idea that channel numbers are not very informative because they have no intrinsic relationship to the content provider's name. In fact, the channel number itself is just a traditional, vestigial proxy for a station's OTA broadcast frequency and is about as applicable to the satellite world as the 12-position rotary dials on early TVs.

    So, if I had my way, I'd expunge channel numbers entirely from the interface (yes, including the Guide) and relegate them to obscurity somewhere in Info.

    Illustration. When I run a Keyword search for "CSI" I'm shown that it's on channels, 7-1, 80,81, 265, 325, 380, 381. I have no idea what these channels are, and, <conflating issues here> using the current non-implementation of CIR, I have no way of knowing whether I even receive these channels. In fact, channel 81 is the west coast feed for CBS.

    If the search returned WDBJ-HD, CBSE, CBSW, A&EHD, SPIKEHD, CBSE, CBSW. With this list, I'd know:

    (1) Not to schedule the program on network feeds.
    (2) The versions on A&EHD and SPIKEHD are re-runs (highly edited)
    (3) That WDBJ-HD, my OTA CBS local, is my only choice

    So, yes, there are degenerative cases where truncation of the title field would be necessary. Honestly, though, is CSI: Crime Scene Inv substantially less informative than CSI: Crime Scene Investigation"


    There are many places where the left/right pane UI architecture wastes significant screen real estate because the left pane has only few selections.

    In this architecture, the right pane is also horizontally segmented--with the top segment used to display descriptions of the listings in the lower pane. In screens (such as search results) where there are only a few selections in the left pane that, the segmentation line from the right pane could be extended, freeing up about 12 characters of extra real estate for the display.
     
  4. Nov 26, 2007 #644 of 1819
    TigerDriver

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    1. The option to sort the Guide by the Name of the content provider (e.g., CNBCHD) or the channel Number.
    2. When this option is in effect, the Number/Name relationship in the left-most column of the Guide are reversed.

      For example, 355 CNBCHD becomes CNBCHD 355
    3. Toggle among sort options with the Blue or Yellow button on the remote control.
    4. For the time being, point-to-point (i.e., non-scrolling) navigation in the Guide is still accomplished by entering a channel number on the remote keypad. (Alpha-numeric navigation--a la cell phones--will be proposed at a later date.)
     
  5. Nov 26, 2007 #645 of 1819
    Steve

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    This is an interesting concept that probably deserves it's own thread/poll, IMHO, along with the GUIDE sorting idea you envision in your next post.

    True, the whole program name is not necessary, but it's already pretty truncated with the current scheme, and while I'm not in front of my HR20, I believe in the example I cited above, it would truncate it even more to something like "CSI: Crim..." Still probably OK, but not optimal. There may be other show titles that might truly suffer from so much abbreviation. Just my .02. /steve
     
  6. Nov 26, 2007 #646 of 1819
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    Let me start off with the fact that I like the idea. My question is how do you then create the fast path to get to the channel? If I want HBO, now I type 501 (or 70 right now). We would have to have an alpha keypad on the remote. Don't think you are going to get many people to type 4 4 2 2 6 6 6 (phone letters). to get to HBO.
     
  7. Nov 26, 2007 #647 of 1819
    Steve

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    It's amazing the way kids today are so facile texting on small cell phone keypads, just as you mention. Whether or not my mother can do it is a different story. :) I guess any new input metaphor would still need to be backed-up by the old channel # entry method around as an option.

    Another possibility would be having the CHANNEL KEY invoke an "on screen" keyboard that made text entry easier.

    Just my .02. /steve
     
  8. Nov 27, 2007 #648 of 1819
    TigerDriver

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    No on-screen alpha keypad is required. Remember, when you select the Alpha option in Setting, the system maintains the Guide sorted in Alpha instead of numerical order. So, unlike typing numbers, which require you know all digits of the channel number, the Guide would resolve each Alpha character as you type. For example, if you type 4 4 ('H'), the HBO group would be either the first or second station at the top of the Guide (depending on your programming package). IOW, in most cases you could get your desired station displayed on the Guide just by entering the first character of the channel.

    In the case where you wanted to change channels while watching live TV, you'd have to type in the entire Alpha name, which would be lots of button-pushing for some stations! But I think the Alpha method would become so natural that you'd soon finding yourself just bring up the Guide and changing channels there.
     
  9. Nov 27, 2007 #649 of 1819
    TigerDriver

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    Personally, I think this and lots of similar UI problems would be solved nicely simply by repurposing the real estate on the left pane of the screen.
     
  10. Nov 27, 2007 #650 of 1819
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    I believe that two new options need to be added, one for skip and one for slip. I believe that they should both be able to be set for durations of either 30 seconds OR 20 seconds. I know 30 seconds comes from the idea that commercials are supposed to last 30 sec apiece, but that just doesn't equate to sports. 20 seconds would make watching all my sports (especially football) easier. So I say 20 seconds or 30 seconds, for slip and skip!!!
     
  11. Nov 27, 2007 #651 of 1819
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    I would recommend that DirecTV allow people more control over their HR2X's over the web site. I am looking for full interaction with all menus and graphics, sans video feeds. ReplayTV did this many years ago, (even before tivo), and it was great. I can erase recordings, create auto records, change keep or when full options, adjust favorites lists, make decisions on what programs I want to record instead of something that was originally recorded (know which show you are canceling, rather than just assuming its ok to record...
     
  12. Nov 27, 2007 #652 of 1819
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    This actually would be a very cool GUIDE option, IMHO, even without the secondary ability to tune directly to a channel via the "alpha" method.

    OPTION to sort the GUIDE by CHANNEL NAME and navigate it using TRIPLE TAP keypad entry.

    As Joe points out, as you type, the GUIDE list would scroll to the appropriate entry, much like when you enter KEYPAD characters using SEARCH by TITLE. I definitely think it's an idea worthy of it's own thread/poll. /steve
     
  13. Nov 27, 2007 #653 of 1819
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    I don't think I would ever use the option to list channels alphabetically, but I could see how others would find it useful. I had an RCA DIRECTV receiver that did allowed channels to be viewed alphabetically, but to tell the truth, I always found it confusing! :p
     
  14. Nov 27, 2007 #654 of 1819
    TigerDriver

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    Confusing in what way?
     
  15. Nov 27, 2007 #655 of 1819
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    That's a good point. Didn't think of it like that, and now there is the ability to delete searches that are no longer useful by pressing the red button. :)
     
  16. Nov 27, 2007 #656 of 1819
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    Steve,

    When operated via remote control, your TV/DVR essentially becomes a handheld device. To see an evolutionary stage of input devices for handheld devices, have a look at Fastap.

    Now, back to our saga...

    Now that the thing has a name--Triple-Tap--we can just refer to the Settings option as "the Triple-Tap option." This option would enable Triple-Tap anywhere it's unnecessary to expose the user to irrelevant channel numbers: managing favorites lists, search entry.

    To see how Triple-Tap would work in the guide, look at Menu.Search for Shows.Channel. This interface is an on-screen keypad (aka "bingo-board"), which illustrates :
    1. The concept of auto-resolution
    2. The irrelevance of vestigial channel numbers
    3. The awkwardness of the bingo-board, which requires lots of button-presses to navigate the display and select a character.
    Although I don't advocate removing bingo-boards, they certainly should accept Triple-Tap input, whose character selection is based on timing instead of pressing Select.

    Comments?
     
  17. Nov 27, 2007 #657 of 1819
    Steve

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    You're preaching to the choir as far as I'm concerned. I invite others to chime-in as well! :) /steve
     
  18. Nov 27, 2007 #658 of 1819
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    In my case with the RCA receiver, when I grouped channels alphabetically it only showed channel logos - no number - and I thought it was just overwhelming. I also was used to my locals being grouped together, for easy browsing, and when grouped alphabetically, I had to page up and down a lot to get from ABC to CBS to FOX to NBC, etc. Essentially, the confusion stemmed from the familiarity I had with the numerical ordering of the channels.
     
  19. Nov 27, 2007 #659 of 1819
    TigerDriver

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    Sorting by logo! Now there's a novel concept. Clearly RCA is too tight to buy its marketing people good hallucinogens.

    Using a standard alpha sort, locals should group according to their call signs. Since the first letter in a call sign is either a K or a W based upon whether it's located east or west of the Mississippi river, in any given area all the locals should group together. (If you live near the Mississippi river, you may get two groupings.)

    Anyhow, go to 'Search by Channel" and see how easy it is to get where you're going...then try to imagine that instead of turtling around the bingo-board with the arrow keys and pressing Select, you could just punch in the first letter or two of the Channel name.
     
  20. Nov 28, 2007 #660 of 1819
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    OPTION to sort the GUIDE by CHANNEL NAME and navigate it using TRIPLE TAP keypad entry.


    Two thoughts.

    1. I really want DIRECTV to finish the HR20 before they go on to anything else.

    2. When you are in the Guide and press ABC as you would on a cell phone, you go to channel 111 in the PIG. Does this assume that the PIG is turned off?

    - Craig
     

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