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HR34 Discussion/Anticipation thread

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Oct 28, 2011.

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  1. LameLefty

    LameLefty I used to be a rocket scientist

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    Sure. I get it. Most of us at DBSTalk get it. I'm sure the uber-geeks in Directv engineering get it too, personally.

    But DECA is designed to provide a robust networking system that is also easy for Directv to install and maintain. They are already running coax and plugging stuff into outlets for every install. That's why DECA makes sense for Directv and why ethernet jacks don't exist on the H25. If/when there is ever an HR25 or HR35, I would lay even money they won't have ethernet jacks either.
     
  2. dsw2112

    dsw2112 Always Searching

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    Yeah, I get that. But it's also possible to reverse a PI, and send voltage toward the receiver :eek2: There are any number of possibilities to "screw up" a satellite setup. For me, I'd rather have the HR34's "bridge" the two. But in the end; if you don't know what you're doing...
     
  3. flipptyfloppity

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    I don't see that happening. DeCA works well for connecting all your receivers together, but you also need to connect to the outside world too. And that's invariably going to be ethernet. It may make sense for a client (H25) to not connect to the outside world, but the hosts (any DVR) probably needs to.

    Let me put it this way. A basic DirecTV install now is a DVR. If it doesn't have an ethernet jack, then a basic install becomes a DVR (inc. remote), a PI and an DeCA bridge? Three boxes and up to 3 power plugs? That's unclean, overly complicated and overly expensive.

    I dunno what to do about the PI, but DirecTV should probably make their PVRs look for each other over ethernet and if they see each other, all but one on that string of ethernet should disable their ethernets and go DeCA only. Then a simple install doesn't need a separate adapter and you can connect the ethernet port on all your PVRs without risk.
     
  4. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

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    Sorry, have to disagree with you there. The DVRs are not designed to provide a bridge between ethernet and coax and I don't think it's wise to try to go down that road. Also, your average DIRECTV customer doesn't have ethernet near his TV. Maybe in a few years that may be more common. So the current setup using the CCK makes the most sense. The installer can run coax to wherever the router is, or use the wireless CCK and be done quickly.
     
  5. LameLefty

    LameLefty I used to be a rocket scientist

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    That's where a simple, cheap and easy-to-install DECA module or CCK comes in.
     
  6. Alan Gordon

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    While I'm all for less power being used (one of the reasons why I wish DirecTV would allow archiving to hard drive like Dish Network DVRs instead of being forced to have an external hard drive running constantly if you want to expand your recording space), I'd much rather have my DirecTV gear networked at my router INSTEAD of near my home theater system.

    To each their own...

    ~Alan
     
  7. TheRatPatrol

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    But, but....I moved my modem/router near my HTS in order to have it all hard wired for faster speeds. ;)
     
  8. jappleboy

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    On the HR34 is anyone having screen come up say 1000(directv) is currently not available.:confused:
     
  9. flipptyfloppity

    flipptyfloppity New Member

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    You probably should have read back a few posts before posting this.

    No module, even at $25 is simpler or cheaper than a built-in capability.

    Like any other company, DirecTV likes to simplify things over time to save money. They integrated multiswitches, then they integrated SWMs. They integrated DeCA adapters.

    I can't say Stuart is wrong, this is more of just a difference of opinion than a right/wrong thing. But I suspect that DirecTV will do they same as they have in the past and work to reduce the number of separate modules to simplify and get the cost down. Maybe Stuart's right, maybe it's just not feasible right now. But I still think they'll work toward it.

    And as to the idea of a DVR bridging, I'll just have to find motherboard pics at some point. On a device like this that has two ethernet ports, it usually has an internal bridging chip instead of using hte main CPU to bridge. It quite possibly has the same chip as the CCK has.
     
  10. Alan Gordon

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    I had too many wires to rerun... that was not an option for me.

    DECA enabled me to have WHDVR service. :)

    ~Alan
     
  11. inkahauts

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    Um,the second satellite port removed from what,the hr34? That has nothing to do with powering anything in terms of deca devices. Not sure I follow that statement. They went to swim only, that's why there is no need for two as inputs. And the second Ethernet was a mistake as they learned and killed it off ages ago before the hr24 even. And in general. Ick can go anywhere in the system, if it's not wireless, it's expected to be next to a router, where ever that is. How many people really have their router next to their main tv? I am guessing not any kind of majority. And wireless ick can go inline anywhere as well.

    I think the only reason DirecTV has Ethernet ports on any receiver right now is if that receiver is the only one the customer has, then they can plug it in direct, but I wont be surprised if the next "hr34" doesn't have an Ethernet port At all.
     
  12. Losi b

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    Thanks Stuart, sorry about the panic post but my installer was about to walk away from the install as recommended by his dispatcher and by Direct tv cs. That was the most rediculous install and customer support I've ever dealt with, just totally stupid.
    Anyway, he installed a new dish, swm8, coax and Ethernet box, 2 hr24 and hooked all 3 up for $250 total.(installer and dtv charges) I'm receiving a $42 monthly credit for 6 months off my subscription to offset the 34 cost.
    About 10 weeks ago I knew nothing about hd dvr's, tv, etc... I gathered all of my info from this forum. I would like to say Thank You to Stuart and everyone else that posted information and answers to my questions.
     
  13. Davenlr

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    That is not going to work. He needed to install an SWM16. You are going to find one of the DVR's is missing a tuner, and will give you an error message when you try to use it.
     
  14. Losi b

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    You're correct, the installer refused to install anything bigger than a swm8. That was part of the headache with this install. He couldn't figure out how to turn off one of the tuners on the 34 so he turned off 1 on one of the 24's. Just out of curiosity, how much will a swm16 setup cost if I bought it myself?
     
  15. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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    About $100 depending where you get it. Just wait a couple weeks, reenable the tuner on the HR24, and when it gives you an error, call in a service call. They should know better than to do an install like that.

    FWIW, you cannot disable a tuner on the HR34. What you CAN do, which is a work around, is Unplug the HR34 from the wall power, reenable the tuner on the HR24 and wait until it boots up, then plug the HR34 back in. It will only have 4 tuners then, and automatically disable the 5th tuner.

    If you dont need multiroom video on one of the HR24's, you can always hook it to the legacy ports on the SWM8, if you have two coax cables running to the original DVR.
     
  16. TBlazer07

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    I have the ICC and every time I reboot the HR34 I have to reboot my HR24's to get the HR34 to see them (but they all see the HR34). This has been going on (and reported) since the "beginning." I've swapped locations, swapped splitters and it continues. Once is a while one of the HR24's is there.
     
  17. dkouz

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    Best to call right away. Service within 7 days will get the most attention.
     
  18. Losi b

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    Thanks for the input. When I am speaking to the cs rep, how should I word my explanation? I would like make sure that I use the words/phrases that will get the results that I am looking for.
     
  19. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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    You get a searching for signal on satellite input 2 (771A) whenever you enable doubleplay, and have been told its because you have 9 tuners and only a SWM8. Might check with someone for the exact error, I cannot duplicate it here, because I dont have any way to max mine out.

    Of course, you can just enable the second tuner (rerun satellite setup on that HR24). When its booted back up, hit DOWN ARROW to enable doubleplay, and see what the error it gives you is.
     
  20. Herdfan

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    Have you set all receivers to static IP's outside your router's DHCP range?
     
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