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HR34 - No Fiber Optic Audio jack?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by oleo3ys, Feb 22, 2012.

  1. oleo3ys

    oleo3ys Cool Member

    Feb 21, 2012
    I have the HR34 connected to the TV via HDMI. I am finding that I have to turn up the volume almost to max to get a normal volume on most programs. So this is an issue I have to resolve.

    Thank you 'Herdfan' for the link to Monoprice. I was going to get a converter and still might but I have worked around the issue by purchasing a coaxial digital cable and connecting the HR34 to the DVD coaxial input and my BluRay Optical connector to the Sat/TV Optical input connector. I have to remember that pressing the Sat/TV button on the surround receiver remote controls the BluRay player volume and Pressing the DVD button on the surround receiver remote controls the HR34 volume.

    The volume using the surround receiver works normally, as far as volume levels are concerned. So the volume between the TV and HR34 is an issue when I do not want to use the surround system for audio. The TV has decent audio by itself for most program viewing.

    I'll have to study all the posts here to see if any provide clues on the volume issue I have with the HR34 and my HDTV.
  2. oleo3ys

    oleo3ys Cool Member

    Feb 21, 2012
    Edit: That second paragraph is referring to the audio connections from the HR34 to the Sony surround receiver and my Blu-Ray audio output to the Sony surround receiver. Audio from the HR34 to the HDTV speakers is via HDMI.
  3. Rtm

    Rtm Godfather

    Oct 18, 2011
    I don't think its on DirecTV removing features once again with this one I believe its Hollywoods love with HDMI being completely DRM compliant.
  4. allenn

    allenn Icon

    Nov 19, 2005
    I think you nailed it! D* is being pressured to be DRM compliant. Sadly, everytime D* removes a port, the work-around cost us. HDMI will probably be the last port standing. My guess is cloud media will be coming to D*. Delivery maybe a problem, because the ISPs are throttling download speeds and limiting the amount of streamed media. I guess D* could deliver the stream via statellite.

    "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow knows!"

    Best wishes!
  5. Beerstalker

    Beerstalker Hall Of Fame

    Feb 9, 2009
    Peoria, IL
    Actually optical audio ouputs seem to be getting removed from many devices, not just DirecTV receivers. I believe the parts are more expensive, or maybe it has more patent royalties on it compared to digital coax, so many companies are dropping them figuring you probably will be fine using either HDMI, digital coax, or stereo RCA.

    Much like many components are dropping s-video because they figure you'll most likely be using HDMI or component and if you aren't then composite is probably good enough.

    When you're making a few million of something saving even a few pennies per unit can add up to huge savings. Now day's companies are being forced to cut out at much unneccesary cost as possible in order to increase profits, because heaven forbid the price on something were to go up :)

    I always laugh at how everyone thinks that everyone deserves a pay raise all the time, but they want everything to cost less than it did before. They don't realize that the only way for that to happen is for the product to lose functionality, or be made from cheaper materials (or for them to get made in a place with cheaper labor that doesn't expect the same raise all the time).
  6. mdavej

    mdavej Hall Of Fame

    Jan 30, 2007
    Here's another option that hasn't been mentioned. A lot of newer TVs will now pass digital audio from their HDMI inputs through the optical output. They used to only pass digital audio from their own internal tuners, but this has changed in recent months. So you could connect all your sources to your TV via HDMI and then connect the optical out from your TV to your legacy receiver. When I discovered my new sony tv was capable of this, I was able to remove 4 of my 5 optical/coax connections and use just one for everything. Unfortunately this capability isn't made clear in the published specs, so you'll just have to try it on a program that has DD5.1 and see if you get all 5.1 channels from the optical out on your tv. If your tv is more than a few years old, it will probably only pass 2 ch.
  7. Beerstalker

    Beerstalker Hall Of Fame

    Feb 9, 2009
    Peoria, IL
    I don't know if I would say a lot of them do, but yes more are starting to. I believe that I just read the new Panasonic ST50 series still downgrades everything to 2.0 so I wouldn't just count on this working with all new TVs.
  8. spartanstew

    spartanstew Dry as a bone

    Nov 16, 2005
    Wylie, Texas
    I certainly wouldn't. It's still a minority (by a long shot), and the fewer pieces of equipment involved in the process the better, so take the TV out of the equation unless you absolutely have to (reducing the number of cables does not equal absolutely have to).
  9. mdavej

    mdavej Hall Of Fame

    Jan 30, 2007
    It's more common than you think. According to reports from another site, LG, Vizio, Mits, Samsung, Sony and Toshiba all pass 5.1 now.
  10. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

    Jun 14, 2003
    Salem, OR
    A good many televisions do not "loop through" surround sound. The optical out of the TV in many cases is there just to feed the TV tuner surround output to your AVR.

    You'll likely get sound, but it will be simple stereo and not surround sound.
  11. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

    Jun 14, 2003
    Salem, OR
    Reports vary depending on what the party line is. There's some fairly convincing arguments that surround shouldn't be passed as a requirement of HDMI certification (which must incorporate functional HCDP).
  12. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

    Dec 2, 2010

    You can directly edit your own posts- link at bottom. It's most useful for technically oriented posts; less translation required.
  13. ovityons

    ovityons Cool Member

    Nov 18, 2011
    Samsung TV's do not pass 5.1 Audio from external devices such as Cable/Sat boxes or Blu-ray to the digital audio output. The following is a quote from the manual for Smasungs 2012 TV UN55ES8000F
    "If you want to hear 5.1 CH audio, connect the digital audio out jack from your DVD / Blu-ray player / cable box / STB satellite receiver directly to an amplifier or home theater."
    If you do that you will need a receiver or other device that can add a delay to the audio otherwise the picture and sound will be out of sync because the TV will add a delay to the picture.
    My 2011 Samsung D8000 TV will not pass 5.1 Audio
  14. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

    Jun 18, 2006
    He's right. I have a Samsung TV and it passes 2.0 PCM over the optical port.
  15. bryanw3535

    bryanw3535 Legend

    Aug 1, 2008
    My new (2011) LG TV (with 3D) only passes 2.0 through optical.
  16. BAHitman

    BAHitman Godfather

    Oct 23, 2007
    Austin Texas
    My 3+ year old Vizio and all 4 of my sony TV's pass 5.1 through the optical port

    my 5 year old Philips shockingly passes 5.1 through the digital audio port...

    it's worth a quick 5-minute test to find out...
  17. mdavej

    mdavej Hall Of Fame

    Jan 30, 2007
    Others have reported the 2011 Samsung PN43D490 does pass 5.1 from HDMI input to optical output.

    I was also very skeptical considering the history and supposed HDCP requirements and similar supporting statements in the manuals and support forums. But the more I dug into it, the more models I found that pass 5.1 in spite of that, including my own sony I had naturally assumed wouldn't, especially given sony's normally strict adherence to HDCP.

    I didn't mean to start a big argument, but just point out it's worth a try, especially on a newer tvs. I didn't believe it at all until I tried it myself.
  18. e4123

    e4123 AllStar

    Jan 31, 2011
    Looks like it's 2 channel on Panasonic Plasma and LCD's:

    "When audio from other equipment connected to this unit via HDMI is output using “DIGITAL AUDIO OUT” of this unit, the system switches to 2CH audio."
  19. CCarncross

    CCarncross Hall Of Fame

    Jul 19, 2005
    According to the manual of that exact model of tv(Page 164 Listening through a receiver):

    When the receiver (i.e Home Theater) is set to On, you can hear sound
    output from the TV’s Optical jack. When the TV is displaying a DTV (air)
    signal, the TV will send out 5.1 channel sound to the receiver. When the
    source is a digital component such as a DVD player and is connected to the
    TV via HDMI, you will hear only 2 channel sound from the receiver.

    Which agrees with most posts here...most tvs will not pass DD5.1 info out the optical jack unless you are using the internal ATSC tuner...HDMI connected sources usually do not pass anything beyond PCM2.0. no matter what they are feeding into the tv...my Sony KDS60-A3000 and my Panasonic plasma both operate that way, PCM2.0 audio only out of the optical jack.
  20. joed32

    joed32 Hall Of Fame

    Jul 27, 2006
    Getting surround sound with my Sony and LG.

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