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HR34 PIP - Enhancements Needed

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by RACJ2, Mar 10, 2012.

  1. Mar 14, 2012 #21 of 104
    TheRatPatrol

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    It's actually the FF and RW buttons.
     
  2. Mar 14, 2012 #22 of 104
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    As RatPatrol pointed out I was incorrect and it is FF and RW to jump ahead 12 ours or skip back 12 hours.
     
  3. Mar 14, 2012 #23 of 104
    RACJ2

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    I have a feeling they aren't going to create a new remote with additional buttons. It would be nice if they could at least figure out a way to use some of the existing buttons. And you do have a feature in the post in that link that I missed in my original post: PIP Channel Up and PIP Channel Down.
    True, that's why I didn't add it to my macro. And suggested an alternate option, to simply press exit to clear the banner, then start the macro with the yellow button.
     
  4. Mar 15, 2012 #24 of 104
    RACJ2

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    If they aren't going add buttons for PIP functions to the remote, I had another thought. Maybe have another DIRECTV code for HR34PIP remote. Keep the DIRECTV setup the same. Then we could set up the HR34PIP code on the remote as AV1 and use the slider to switch between them.

    HR34PIP setup would map the keys different, so the color buttons control the PIP functions we mentioned, Red=PIP ON/OFF, Green=PIP Move, Yellow=PIP/POP, Blue=PIP Sound, Left arrow=PIP Ch Down and Right Arrow=PIP Ch Up. And then let us know the discrete codes, so we can program our third party remotes with these functions.
     
  5. Mar 15, 2012 #25 of 104
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    Yeah right like that's going to happen. ;)
     
  6. Mar 16, 2012 #26 of 104
    RACJ2

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    It would be a less expensive alternative then producing a new remote with PIP buttons. Although, I still believe the problem is that they added PIP more for marketing purposes and didn't put a lot of effort into the functionality. So we probably won't see much development time or effort spent on it.
     
  7. Mar 16, 2012 #27 of 104
    spartanstew

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    The two things I would like to see added to PIP:

    Ability to listen to audio from the PIP window (watch the large, listen to the small).
    Ability to change the size of the PIP window. In some instances (like when watching sports), its just a bit too big, while in others, I wish it were a bit larger.

    My old TV had both of these abilities and I used them quite a bit (could switch between audios without changing the video, could choose three different sizes of the PIP window)
     
  8. Mar 16, 2012 #28 of 104
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    While I think you may be right about it being for marketing, I do think "eventually" they will streamline the PiP stuff. When "eventually" is, is up for debate, but I have a feeling it's gonne be a while.

    At this point, all I ask ASAP is a discrete code or assigned button to turn the PiP on/off.
     
  9. Mar 16, 2012 #29 of 104
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    I agree with the PIP sound and mentioned that one in my original post. The ability to change PIP size would be nice, but I thought that was pushing our luck. Every TV with PIP that I've had could do that. Even had one TV where you could use the arrow keys, to move the window wherever you wanted it. I really liked that, because when you used the smallest window, you could move it right in the corner of the screen.
    I agree that the PIP On/Off is a must. The macro helps, but the banner screen comes on and all the different menus block half the screen as it arrows across the info banner. Its painful.
     
  10. Mar 16, 2012 #30 of 104
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    I love PIP also but never use it because it's so clunky. As far as I'm concerned they could use the Active button, I see it as useless and it is too slow, which is part of the problem with PIP.
     
  11. Mar 16, 2012 #31 of 104
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    Great thread. I'm glad to know how primitive the PIP integration is on DIRECTV. Dish had all these features years ago. This makes my decision to go back to Dish after my current contract with Frontier expires this summer that much easier.
     
  12. Mar 16, 2012 #32 of 104
    Drucifer

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    With sports using both bottom and top of the screen for data, I wish there was a left or right center for the PIP location additions.
     
  13. Mar 17, 2012 #33 of 104
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    ffwd and rewd now do it.

    red button does it now

    press the dash key now

    red button right now

    They have already duplicated everything any of the blue green and yellow keys do in any screen. Dash, and Enter have replaced almost every function, with dash now duplicating yellow, and enter now duplicating blue in every screen.

    I agree though, pip needs to be easier to activate. Why not the red button? It does nothing on live tv. And when pip is up, allow the red button to toggle between off, on with small window in right bottom corner, left bottom corner, left top corner, right top corner, side by side, and then back to off. That would be better IMHO.
     
  14. Mar 17, 2012 #34 of 104
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    Five tuners, and mrv with any and all other hd units from directv. The hr34 is far more versatile in other areas, and I can't say that the hr34 has actual "shortcomings" with PIP.
     
  15. Mar 17, 2012 #35 of 104
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    I didn't realize that a FF and REW worked for 12hr jumps and "-" for the yellow button commands. So I guess they could eliminate 3 of the color buttons, but I think its crazy. And at one time, I thought I read that they were moving towards eliminating the "-" to delete items. Instead of eliminating the color buttons, they should remap them for the PIP commands that are lacking. And keep the current model remote as the HMC remote. They are probably switching to the peanut remote to cut costs and ultimately raise profits, at the expense of customer satisfaction. Actually, I could care less about the stock remote, if they at least created discrete PIP codes we could use to program our Harmony, AR and other third party remotes.

    The red button idea would be better then what we have now. Although still a bit cumbersome to have to press it several times, having it go through all those gyrations, just to turn it off. Using all the buttons the way I mentioned in a prior post would be much more desirable (including PIP Ch Up & Down, PIP sound, PIP Move).
     
  16. Mar 17, 2012 #36 of 104
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    Everybody chooses a provider for their own personal reasons. If PIP commands are high on your list of choosing a provider, then you are making the right decision. My #1 priority is having all my sports in HD like NFL ST, NHL CI, etc. So although PIP buttons would be nice, it is low on my list of how I chose my provider.

    Not to mention that my current TV does all the PIP functions I desire. The issue is that currently I can only feed the PIP window with an OTA feed and swap it. If I wasn't so cost conscious, I could add another DIRECTV receiver to feed that window, but I don't thinks its worth $6/mo. Especially when the HR34 has PIP. And I can watch a second feed from that same HR34 on my laptop via DIRECTV2PC or an old dell PC and 19" LCD I set up. And those options are actually better then PIP right now, since I can do everything I want. Also, its nice that it doesn't block any portion of the picture on my 50" screen (but it does tie up my laptop).

    Plus, you might want to follow your own philosophy:
     
  17. Mar 17, 2012 #37 of 104
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    Don't get me started on the color buttons. I would not get rid of them. I would completely repurpose a lot of things and make most things a lot easier to get to than they are now by retaking and changing their approach on many things....
     
  18. Mar 23, 2012 #38 of 104
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    Was just talking to my dad on FaceTime, he got the HR34 today (I don't have one yet) and yeah from what I saw they really do need a PIP makeover, way too many button presses to turn it on and off. Crazy. But SBSPIP did look good on his 65 incher.
     
  19. Mar 24, 2012 #39 of 104
    TheRatPatrol

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    I'm at my parents house now, and yes they do need a one button PIP on off solution.

    I was thinking if they don't want to use the color buttons how about using the dash button? I know its assigned to the SWiM info screen now, but I don't think that's needed, that info could be placed on the info screen.

    But yeah something needs to be done to make it quicker to turn PIP on/off.
     
  20. Mar 26, 2012 #40 of 104
    TheRatPatrol

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    Any other thoughts on this, what do you guys think? Either that or move the PIP selection to the far left in the info banner to make it less button presses.
     

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