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Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Spooklight, Oct 25, 2018.
What is "a "watermark injection" notification from my ISP"?
ISP injected notification into DTV screensaver pics
This is my rant (sorry for this) about AT&T and the possibility of video during pause. The day that happens is the day I seriously consider leaving DirecTV after years and years. Now my AT&T rant:
I knew the second that AT&T bought DirecTV quality would start to decrease in all aspects. This is a company that cares very little about consumers and is out for every nickel and dime. First thing I noticed is them throwing their logo EVERYWHERE. Second thing I noticed is them moving their CS overseas (I used to call up and get a lot of folks in Texas, now it's some Eastern European country). Next, I noticed their hard sell of mobile service on every call. I now notice that I don't seem to get the types of "freebies" I used to. I remember getting a a few unsolicited months of some premium channel about once a year, just for being a loyal customer. Not seeing that anymore. Obviously prices have been going up and up. And many of us can tell that the new GUI was not ready for prime time and we questioned why it was released with SO many bugs. I attribute this to increased cost cutting. And it seems that they don't handle customer beta testing the same way either.
And now look at the company's MO in other businesses they recently purchased. They just re-orged the whole Warner media that they purchased, which will lead to a LOT of layoffs. HBO, the flagship of their purchase is, according to their CEO, "not making enough money". Seriously. So they want more and more original programming, more like the Netflix model. A LOT of crap, a few good shows. HBO's reputation as being the gold standard for TV is going by the wayside. And, they've also jettisoned boxing after MANY years, simply because people don't buy HBO for boxing anymore, silly. I'll bet, reading into their re-org that sports will be moved off ofTBS and TNT and will end up on some other channel which, of course, we'll have to pay for (or, they'll charge providers for the new channel some high amount). And there's also rumors that channels such as TruTV could be moved to streaming only. Again, less for more.
Now back to DirecTV, I don't honestly see any kind of increase in quality of service, outside of a few 4K offerings, and they seem to be offering equipment that will offer less instead of more. For example the HS-17 forces us to give up any secondary DVRs we currently own.
The last straw will video during pauses. There are a few reasons why I might pause something. One is to talk about something that happened in what I'm watching. Another is to go do something else (like bio-breaks) and a third is to take a phone call. Well if I'm on the phone, I don't want some video blaring out of my speakers. But either way, I want quiet.
With AT&T it's all about the money. Nothing else matters.
I often pause live TV for long periods. Sometimes to the point of hitting the end of the buffer. Yes that is how I like to watch live TV sometimes. Having it play a video while paused will make me think I have run out of buffer.
Well I can understand that. I am done with watching commercials. I am completely done paying them twice to watch a show. Double dipping the customer should be illegal.
The channel's price includes selling their viewers to advertisers. Only the premium channels sell themselves as "commercial free". (Non commercial stations still have "promotional content" between programs, built in to programs and serving as program length sponsor acknowledgements.)
There is no law that says channels can only receive one form of payment.
Paused live TV last night for a bathroom break (I know - too much information). When I came back to the TV there was a slide promoting 'Billions' and the free Showtime preview. Then it flipped to the normal slides showing national park pictures.
We all started watching TV decades ago with a mutual understanding that if I watch your commercials that in turn pays for the shows I see. The carriers very cunningly changed that understanding when Sat and Cable arrived. We got the premium channels with a new understanding that if we pay for the premium stuff like HBO it was commercial free. That in itself was fine but it shortly morphed into something else.
They soon started bundling in stations that added to the overall fees and these stations included an ever growing amount of commercials. I remember when CNN first came on the air on C-Band and it had almost no commercials. I think the only main commercial was for Ginsu knives. Soon after more and more ads where added to the point that it was on Par with OTA network stations. Then came merger after merger and it meant that in order to get five good minor channels like Discovery Ch. or CNN. I had to pay for 30 useless channels that could never survive on their own. All of these channels now have loads of commercials and yet I am paying to watch them. I am not buying into the story that the commercials are needed for income for the stations to survive or to offset my fee's. I think they are the icing on a very fat cake.
This is why DirecTv and Dish and so many cable companies will ultimately fail. People don't have the time or patience for commercials anymore and anybody that sticks to that model will be eaten alive by the likes of Netflix, Amazon and the host of other commercial free streaming services that are coming. Directv's attempt at a streaming service will fail for sure because it includes commercials and still maintains a high price tag.
I don't know about you guys but as I said i am no longer able to watch shows with commercials! It's distracting and kills the story. I can live with Fast Forwarding through them on a DVR but I find myself gravitating more and more each month to streaming services that have no interruptions.
As for the law, your right, but in a perfect world there would be one for this double dipping they are doing. Luckily the public will fix the problem by voting with their wallets.
I was watching the Nascar race last Sunday on my C61K for a couple hours. I didn't touch the remote control, and at about the two hour mark, the screen automatically switched to the screensaver showing national park pictures. That was impressive.......
Commercial free is not the direction the industry is moving. "Commercial free" comes at a higher cost than advertiser supported - and with streaming those commercials are often not able to be skipped. For example, Hulu is $5.99 per month, $11.99 with "no ads" (the live TV version is $44.99 per month, $50.99 with "no ads"). CBS All Access is $5.99 or $9.99 "commercial free*" (don't forget the asterisk). I'm sure you can find a higher priced limited content plan that truly has "no commercials" - but commercials are a part of the industry that is not going away.
Do you believe channels could survive on 14 cents per month per subscriber without any advertisers? I don't. Looking at Viacom's numbers for their media networks nearly half of their revenue comes from advertisers. Take away half of their revenue and they would need to double the subscription price - and then deal with partners and subscribers who would refuse to pay double, which reduces their income and would require an even higher fee per subscriber to break even with the current subscription plus advertiser income equation.
You probably don't care about the 14 cent channels ... but there are a few that my family watches. There are probably a few that you would rather not lose. Hopefully my family doesn't lose the channels we watch and you don't lose the channels you watch.
You say that cable channels didn't have commercials when they launched. Yet people have uploaded MTV's first few hours in full on Dailymotion and Vimeo from VHS recordings made in 1981 (not the edited version that MTV Classic aired in 2016). It's full of commercials every few videos for things like the Trapper Keeper, Mountain Dew, Superman II, Chewels gum and even had local cable inserts.
Going through the channels listed in a 1983 Cablevision lineup I got from an old Long Island newspaper ad, along with channels that the long-defunct Huntington Cable TV carried:
Nickelodeon didn't go ad supported until the early 80s, but the channels it timshared with BET and later ARTS (pre-Entertainment merger) both had commercials. (There's some rare ARTS commercial and promo breaks available on YouTube)
I've seen some early 80s commercial collections from USA on YouTube, so they had commercials early on too.
Daytime and Cable Health Network, which merged to form Lifetime had commercial breaks. (The agency who did the work for most of Viacom's channels in the 80s have a website that details the creative history of the channels along with Vimeo videos of the promos they did for channels like MTV, Nick, VH1, Lifetime and HA!)
ESPN was ad supported from the start.
FNN (now merged with CNBC) had commercial breaks
TNN (now Paramount) had commercial breaks.
The Weather Channel had commercial breaks
Sportschannel (now MSG Plus) and MSG had commercial breaks
CBN (now Freeform) was initially commercial free, but by the time it became CBN Family it had regular commercial breaks.
AMC (originally a Cablevision only channel called Montage) and Bravo had origins as premium cable channels, they were commercial free until the 90s.
To this day Disney Channel is still not ad supported, even 20+ years since they transitioned to a basic cable channel their breaks are just filled with promos.
The rest of the lineup were premium channels, C-SPAN, superstations like WTBS, WSBK and KTVU, neighboring Connecticut and Philly channels pulled in from across the water, Telicare (the local LI Catholic channel), and text generated info channels like "Newsday Channel", "On Cablevision", "Stocks", "Local Sports Scores", "NOAA", "OTB" and "Swap & Shop", some of which eventually gave way to channels that launched later in the 80s like News 12, Discovery, TNT, CNBC, VH1, CMT, and a full time A&E.
EDIT: I just found CNN's first hour online from 1980, they had regular commercial breaks every few minutes, it wasn't just knife ads, they had time life, maalox, Nestea, American Express, Contac, don't drink and drive PSAs, and other things.
I have cable and I haven't watched commercials for years. That's what a DVR is for. You act as though streaming is the only way to avoid commercials.
If you want to watch anything live (sports, news, Oscars or whatever) they still have commercial breaks if you stream it, you know.
It's only a matter of time before they too will have commercials.
I was watching HBO on C-Band from in the late 1970's and I think CNN from early 1980's, certainly no later than 1982.
It did not have any significant amount of commercials. I think a lot of people use to call it the Ginsu Knife channel because that one ad use to come on during every break. As I stated it was not long after that, that they started adding commercials in by the bucket load on some channels while others maintained only a few or no commercials. Don't be fooled it's like everything else in life, they had to slowly get you hooked before they revealed the downside. Do you really think in 1982 that cable and satellite could have ever gotten off the ground if they charged based on the current model? Nope they spent years conditioning us to accept these ridiculous bills and still keep dealing with the commercials. Just imagine going back to 1982 and telling someone that in 2015 you will be paying $2800 a year for TV and still be watching commercials. They would laugh you out of the room. I would have laughed you out of the room because I was watching all that stuff for free back then.
If you think that is true you need to hang out with more teens and see what the next generation likes. First of all they have very little interest in TV at all. Give them a choice between a smart phone and a TV and they will go for the phone everytime.
They multi task texting to friends while playing video's and listening to music and then they love online gaming with groups of their friends. The little TV that they do watch comes off of sites on the Web and they are content to watch it on a tablet or phone and I might ad its commercial free.
If you think Netflix is ever going to put ads in their content your out of touch. The user base would never accept it! It would be like how the online newspapers like the Washington Post etc. Try to charge for their content. People consider News on the Internet to be free and they just avoid sites that try to charge or they publish a half dozen tricks on forums on how to bypass the fee's and read the articles for free.
Your actually proving my point.
Netflix is about $15 a month for the premium 4K (four account package). Hulu is $12 a month for the premium package. YouTube is basically Free and with that you have all your news from across the globe covered.
So for $324 a year I have almost all my TV needs covered. From Networks to TV series current and old plus my news. I even have Porn channels LOL.
If I want I have about $2400 in savings that I can dip into to get ANY TV Series or Movie that I might want to watch from Amazon.
As I said the customer base is and will keep on fixing this mess by voting with their wallets.
The problem with our generations thinking is that we believe the more channels we have is the better it is. The truth is we have so many crap channels that we keep just for the sake of keeping our packages. It has been years since I have watched a single news item on channel 204, years since I went to Cinemax or Hallmark, I would say more than half the channels in my massive package have never been used to watch a full show. I stick to typically about 25 channels and only scan past the rest, almost never stopping. Even odd channels like GSN that my wife likes, she has found the episodes online and watches them on her tablet for free when she is in the kitchen.
No reread my post, I said I do use the DVR to skip past commercials.
Really? Guess those ads on Youtube have escaped your notice...
The idea that younger people won't tolerate ads is ridiculous. They are more comfortable giving up their privacy in exchange for free stuff than any other age group (which may be because they are resigned to it, and may be because they have less disposable income due to lower salaries, student loan debt etc.) They'd flock to a free ad supported Netflix, if they were paying for Netflix at all versus using their parents or friends login.
When I was a boy TV was free. All one needed was a outdoor antenna to receive the channels. The commercials payed for the program content. During that time I had a science teacher who told us that in the near future we'll be paying for the same channels. We all thought he was nuts. Why would people start paying for TV that they have been getting for free for years? Then along came cable and everything changed. Smartphones have service providers and service providers are a business. Same with Netflix. They are a business. The name of the game in business has and always will be profits. That said, if they can increase their profits with commercial advertising you can bet your ass they will do so regardless what age group their customers are in.
I don't have an issue with a 5 second ad being put in front of a video. Heck it could be 5 minutes, it does not matter so long as when the news starts I am not interrupted. That has been my experience with CNN, CBC, Fox and BBC.
As for the kids, you are right if your talking about facebook etc. When it comes to TV they have pirate sites that they go to or they use a shared Netflix accounts. They simply don't watch commercials because almost all of their content does not have any! If it did they would probably just move on instantly. As I said have you spent any serious time around Teens? If you have then you know they have Zero patience! A four minute commercial break is like an eternity for them.