HR44-200 no more bouncy logo - now nature scenes for screensaver

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  1. dreadlk

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    That is exactly what they are all trying to do and all that is happening is that they are losing millions of customers to streaming services and Pirate sites. This situation is not getting better, it is getting a lot worst every month.
     
  2. James Long

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    We try to stick with LEGALLY obtained content on this site. Circumventing pay walls, blatant copyright violations, sharing accounts are as bad as sharing your satellite service with another household. It isn't good for the long term health of the distributors and as they begin to lose money from traditional distribution they WILL be paying more attention to those obtaining their content without the payment they demand.

    Be aware that "commercial free" streaming isn't ALL commercial free. There are few services with zero commercials. And those services have a lot of content but CANNOT deliver every show that is available. No service can provide every program.
     
  3. slice1900

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    So because they are breaking the law, the future will be more of the same? A lot of people said that the music industry would never recover, because Napster trained people not to pay for music. Now Spotify has who knows how many users on their free tier listening to music - and ads so they don't have to pay for it.
     
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    Yikes....I had a Trapper Keeper in 6th grade. Thanks for the reference! God I feel old......
     
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    The music industry has never recovered. In the old days artist sold whole albums for good money, kind of like TV bundling :)
    Because of the low bandwidth requirements at the time, MP3's killed the market and it was later resurrected by iTunes and others. The big difference is you can now pay 99 cents and get the song you want and skip the rest.

    Now that Bandwidth speeds are several hundred times higher the video industry is taking the same beating. Ultimately they will have to do what the music industry did and unbundle these packages and survive with a lot less income.

    Just Like Napster they are trying to get rid of "K***" product but these guys have gotten smarter and make a legal product. The end user is the one that breaks the law by installing illegal plugins. How do you fight that? So yes history is pretty much repeating itself.
     
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    I totally agree, the content will go down the tubes if this path is taken but we cannot put blinders on and pretend that it is not happening. I will not discuss this further but was just pointing out that the majority of the younger generation does not share our values on this particular subject.
     
  7. James Long

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    The point is, if the video industry cannot get the money they need to survive through paid subscriptions they will turn to advertising. It may start with embedding a "must watch" advertisement at the beginning of a stream (which is easily skipped by starting the show then going off for your popcorn and snacks and bathroom trip while the ads play - similar to watching a movie at a theater). It will move to embedding advertisements within the content.

    Television has since it's inception had a format that included commercial breaks. "A word from our sponsor" in the middle of the show is as much a part of television as the early stars the younger generation never knew existed. The challenge now that commercials can be skipped is to get people to watch them. One way is to make the program content compelling enough that people feel the need to watch live. Turn the shows into events where the viewer feels that they are missing out if they are watching more than a few minutes delayed - or with any delay at all. Turn shows into social media events where the show is better with live interaction such as voting and discussing the program with the cast or fellow viewers. Once a programmer has a live audience the trap is set for inserted advertising. If viewers feel that they cannot turn away the advertiser gets the "impressions".

    Product placement ads have also been a part of television since the beginning. Shows named after their sponsors with logos clearly visible are not new. There was a product placement boom about 30 years ago that was most obvious in movies (since they don't have commercial breaks in theaters). It is why Superman fought a battle in Metropolis on a city street filled with Marlboro trucks and ET found "Reecse Pieces" in the movie when he found "M&M"s in the book. Most placement is more subtle with "promotional consideration" given for a certain brand of computer or car to be featured on screen. Sometimes the subtle nature is lost when car chases look more like advertisements for the vehicles (a lot of tight shots including the vehicle logos). I still remember a scene from Hawaii Five-O a few years ago where they spent a couple of minutes selling Subway sandwiches instead of advancing the plot. Similar scenes can be found in other programming.

    So the "younger generation" has a choice - or more accurately, they don't have a choice. Advertisements WILL find their way into their programs. They already have. Product placements are common and a lot of TV is still designed around taking a break from the story every few minutes. A perfect place for an advertisement. The only question will be "do you want to pay $50 and see 30 second ad breaks or $15 and see 2:30 ad breaks".

    The war is on between content owners and those working to disrupt payment. Content providers are not stupid. They understand that people are using technology to circumvent ad viewing and payment and they are fighting back. Since their survival is on the line I expect the content owners to win - and if they somehow don't win then I expect the viewers to lose when the content owners take the ball and go home (so to speak).
     
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    Advertisers want impressions. They want people to see their ads. If putting ads (such as the promos seen during the screen saver) provides impressions they will use that method. Hopefully they won't take the next step and insert video ads with audio in the screen savers. I have seen that online, but not on a site that demanded money for content. At least, not yet.
     
  9. Apr 7, 2019 #229 of 233
    armophob

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    I have been away from the forum for a while. I am glad you are all talking about this. I am enraged that these commercial screen savers on my HR44 are over riding my Panasonic's sleep function. Instead of falling asleep all through the night after hitting pause, I am waking up to the whole room flashing like I did not hit pause.
    The only work around I have come up with is to change the video input to my tv after hitting pause. But I forget all the time and I am not always sure I am falling asleep.
     
  10. Apr 7, 2019 #230 of 233
    inkahauts

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    Your tv falling asleep has nothing to do with which screen saver DIRECTV is using. I suggest turning in the DIRECTV power saver mode...
     
  11. Apr 8, 2019 #231 of 233
    Steveknj

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    I fully expect that if Netflix or Amazon start seeing their subscribers drop because the prices get too high, advertising is next, and they will offer a cheaper, ad supported tier. We are already seeing ad placement at the beginning of streams in Netflix (i.e. coming attractions of new shows.) I fully expect that the first change will include ads at the beginning, and eventually, perhaps with most of us not even noticing, there will be ads mid-show as well. And I also expect that eventually, we'll wind up with cable like offerings because SOMEONE will realize it's much easier and cheaper to offer
    "everything" all in one place than jumping from service to service to try and find what you are looking for.
     
  12. Apr 8, 2019 #232 of 233
    slice1900

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    I don't see subscribers dropping Amazon because they aren't getting Prime because of streaming, they are getting it for the delivery.

    For Netflix I think as more and more services come and you get less and less with Netflix other than their own content people will start subscribing a month or two at a time and bingeing what they want, rather than keeping it active 12 months out of the year. Further price increases will only make that more likely.
     
  13. Apr 8, 2019 #233 of 233
    JerryMeeker

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    What? Why not just turn your equipment off? As inkahauts says, there is no correlation between the DTV screensaver and your TV going to sleep.
     

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