HR44-200 no more bouncy logo - now nature scenes for screensaver

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Spooklight, Oct 25, 2018.

  1. KyL416

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    The ad is NOT in the file of your DVR recording. The receiver seamlessly switches the playback to one of the stored local ads in the reserved space of your hard drive for however long the local avail is and then switches back to your recording once the local avail is over.

    Again, local on the 8s does NOT use your internet connection. Even the red button local weather app and severe weather alerts popup on channel 362 works without an internet connection on receivers as old as the D1x series. (Not to be confused with the internet based TV apps you access by pressing the right arrow on any channel) You just have to make sure your home zip code in the red button app is set to a valid physical zip code, it tends to have problems if people use a PO Box only zip code or one of those virtual zips that are building/company specific that some larger cities have.
     
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  2. GordonGekko

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    How do they switch the ads?

    Local on the 8's, what does it show, if I live in Austin, Texas, does it show your daily forecast just for Austin, if that is what Local on the 8's does then it never worked for me. And again it appears you agree that a pause button trigger would be more difficult, I can see how they could do local on the 8's and I know the red button works but Directv already knows the zip code of each receiver, I don't see how this ties in to what some advertising goon from ATT is claiming they are about to unleash.

    How about the pause button, can they accomplish this without your receiver connected to the internet?
     
  3. KyL416

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    They're already stored in a reserved space on your hard drive after they're pushed via recordings on hidden channels in the 8000s. (Check the Hybrid tab on Gary's transponder maps if you want to see those specific channel numbers and what satellites they originate from)

    The ad insertions is a dynamic thing that targets based on channel, genre, program, etc. i.e if you watch a recording of Monday Night Raw from last year and it gets to the local avail, it would switch to the recently stored promo for an upcoming local WWE show in your area, and then switch back to your recording once the local avail is over. While a recording of South Park might switch to a recently stored cross-channel promo for the new season of American Dad or Miracle Workers on TBS tagged with DirecTV's channel number for TBS 247.
     
  4. jimmie57

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    If the weather does not tell you the local stuff it is probable that you have not set it up. You have to enter the zip code in the area that says My Cities. ?? I have not done this in a long time and I have an old HR24.
     
  5. GordonGekko

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    You are on target, yes, when I check the settings, for zip code it reads, "00000". Now for the red button thing, maybe they are using my service address.

    Update: I misread your post, the red button weather info works, not sure if I manually put in the zip code or Directv had it entered already.

    I am referring to any local info The Weather Channel offers, I don't get any of that and when I check "Settings/Imfo", the zip code is 00000, not sure if that matters.
     
  6. jimmie57

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    You do this while sitting on the Weather Channel. Not the zip code in the receiver set up.
     
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  7. James Long

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    NO! The DVR insert ads are not placed within the program. They are separate files stored separately on the receiver. During playback of a program with a cue (either live or from recording) the trigger is seen, the DVR leaves the file playing the program, plays the commercial being inserted, then returns to the original program being played. (And if watching "live" don't forget that nothing is live on a DVR ... the satellite feed is playing through a buffer.)

    The current nature scenes screen saver is using Internet images. They could shift to satellite delivered images in the future ... or play video commercials. It clearly has been demonstrated that content CAN be transferred to DVRs without using the Internet - and that no Internet connection is required to trigger DVR insert ads. It would be a simple matter to play back DVR inserts during pauses *if* AT&T|DIRECTV decides to do so.
     
  8. GordonGekko

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    From what I just read those ads respond to ad markers or cues from the original broadcast, yes they can be transferred but you have not proven that they can be triggered by a pause button, now of course my question is not fair as nobody can prove it without access to Directv/ATT's proprietary information.

    It does not make much sense for Directv to limit the screensaver ads to internet only connected receivers, if they have the capability to shill for "A Star Is Born" on all receivers, why choose not to?

    The crazy thing is I've never seen a local ad ever on my HR54 and I usually FF2 just to see if any interesting commercials appear. And I've never seen a Weather Channel local forecast geared solely to my zip code. How about Directv's privacy opt outs, maybe they impact these local ads, I don't know and I do understand that I could have missed a local ad but I am skeptical.
     
  9. jimmie57

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    When you open the App while on the weather channel and choose my cities, the one on the very bottom is your home city. Go there and put in your zip code and on the 8's of the hour you will get your local info.
     
  10. James Long

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    A trigger is a trigger ... I'm not sure why you are being so obstinate about this. The receiver is quite capable of noticing that the user pressed the pause button and following whatever steps are programmed in the software to respond to the pause button. There is no special magic that says all a pause button can do is the current steps (pause image, put up pause banner, set timer for screen saver, wait for further instructions). If you think about it, the pause button routine is already smart enough to do something different if the plaback is paused when pause is pressed. Make a mistake in programming and the "pause button" trigger could be programmed to return receiver to factory setting, or change to the Audience Channel, or any other function the receiver could perform - a trigger is a trigger.

    AT&T|DIRECTV makes a lot of decisions that are baffling. If it were up to me I'd transmit the static slate images via satellite (if only to save their Internet bandwidth). It is not up to me.

    Fast forwarding is a good way to miss the trigger and not get the DVR inserted advertisement.
     
  11. GordonGekko

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    I do have my zip in that app and it shows my 3 day forecast (when the red button is pushed) but I just watched Local on the 8's and all it did was cycle through a ton of cities across America, nothing local.

    The radar/sat portion, same thing, they do Northeast followed by Southeast etc.
     
  12. jimmie57

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    Yep, it appears that you are correct. Mine just went from 2:25 to 2:30 and nothing popped up on it's own. This is on channel 362. I have not tried 361.
     
  13. KyL416

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    The :28 version is limited to the L bar. The full screen versions tend to only happen at :18 and :48, with some variations if there's breaking live coverage.

    You also have to tune to the channel a few minutes in advanced for it to work since it needs time to pull the data for your area from the satellite datastream. Tuning in at :10 or :40 should give it enough time to load.

    EDIT: Here's snapshots of what I got at :48, and to prove that it's coming from satellite, I also disconnected my internet:
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    Also which zip code are you using? I want to try changing my zip code to yours to see if it's the same zip code specifc issue that another user reported a few months ago that was fixed by changing the zip code in the red button app to another one for their city.
     
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  14. GordonGekko

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    I've followed all of your instructions, nothing, never have seen a zip code specific graphic like you have, is it possible that you needed to have the internet connected to start it and once disconnected it still works, I don't know but I'm hoping that if they can't deliver the weather info to me, they can't deliver the ads but that could be wishful thinking.
     
  15. JerryMeeker

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    I have been pausing the DVR on purpose to observe the behavior of the screensaver. For the last 4-5 days, I have seen no more promos for DTV programming, just the nature images.
     
  16. b4pjoe

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    I've noticed on mine that sometimes it has the nature images and then it will throw in a couple of the promos and then back to nature images.
     
  17. JerryMeeker

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    I know when the promos appeared on my DVR, they didn’t last long. Perhaps I wasn’t paying attention.
     
  18. dtv757

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    I tested this last night I still get the nature images
    (Genie 2 )

    Sent from my mobile device using Tapatalk
     
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    Spooklight

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    Jeesh, how long did it take for adverts?
     
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    I have not been following most of this thread but from the little I have read it seems the consensus is that the adds are sent via satellite and are stored.

    I am not so sure of this. I have not had my system hooked up to the Internet for at least 6 months and right now none of my DVRs are showing nature scenes or adds. I am still getting the bouncy logo! I am not sure why but it looks like an internet component is needed for something.
    Are they really sending all those target adds via satellite or targeting customers via local hubs on the internet?
     

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