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HR44 upgrade and OTA?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by EricRobins, Feb 25, 2014.

  1. EricRobins

    EricRobins Godfather

    Feb 9, 2005
    I currently have one each of HR20, HR21, HR24 and H24 (I think its a H24, but that is not relevant to this question). I am going to do the Genie upgrade this week. Although I do not use an OTA antenna, I like the ability to use one if I want.

    Since (as I understand) the Genie does not have the ability to accept the OTA antenna (w/o the AM21), if I request an AM21 (since I will be deactivating the HR20), will D* charge me for it?
  2. hasan

    hasan Well-Known Member

    Sep 22, 2006
    Ogden, IA
    Probably, but you'll never know unless you call them for it. I have two of the older ones (AM21 not the current AM21N), and am quite pleased with their performance and as I recall, they are not that expensive, considering what they give you.
  3. CCarncross

    CCarncross Hall Of Fame

    Jul 19, 2005
    If you are requesting the upgrade, I doubt they will give you an AM21 especially since you dont really use the OTA on your HR20 anyway. They are only $50, and since if I were you I would actually deactivate the HR21, the HR20 is faster anyway.
  4. carl6

    carl6 Moderator Staff Member DBSTalk Club

    Nov 15, 2005
    Seattle, WA
    That's your answer right there, keep the HR20. If you record OTA from it, you can watch that from any other location via whole-home.
  5. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

    Jun 14, 2003
    Salem, OR
    Do you really think that they consider this?
  6. CCarncross

    CCarncross Hall Of Fame

    Jul 19, 2005
    If the customer is willing to lie their way into it to try to save $50, I guess thats their prerogative. Thats the crappy thing to do but people dont surprise me anymore what they will do to try to save a buck.
  7. trh

    trh This Space for Sale

    Nov 2, 2007
    NE FL

    You'll never know what you'll get until you call and ask. When I was going through my upgrade to MRV, I was using OTA but plugged directly into my TV. And I told him that. So I asked about an AM-21. "Free" was his answer.

    So call and ask. I don't recommend lying or misleading the CSR and don't threaten to leave DirecTV over your upgrade unless you are willing to do so. Treat the CSR like you would want to be treated. Good luck and post back here what happens.
  8. slapshot1959

    slapshot1959 Legend

    Jan 24, 2006
    I called in a few weeks ago to ask and order an AM21, as I wanted OTA capability on my Genie (44) and despite her taking a while to find them in their system, she offered it to me for no cost. So I asked if I could get another, and she said "sure,there's no cost for that one either".
    Next day they were delivered, unbelievably quick!

    Didn't have to beg or lie, didn't expect them to be free either.
  9. EricRobins

    EricRobins Godfather

    Feb 9, 2005
    OP here:

    First, I understand I am not entitled to anything, and unless you ask, the answer cannot be YES. I also never lie or threaten to cancel.

    I called and told them exactly the situation, i.e., that I have OTA capability now, and since the HR20 will be replaced, I lose the OTA capability. The CSR looked into it and said that she would have the tech bring one - no charge.

    I also asked about the GenieGo. The first rep told me I would need to call back and talk to Retention to see if I could somehow get the GenieGo for less than $149. When I called back, I told the CSR the situation and said that at $149, I am going to have to pass. She said that the price was not $149, but $99 + $19.95 for s/h. She looked into it and said that she could waive the $99, but I said I would pass. She then said she couldn't give me the GO for free, but could charge me the $20, but give me credits to offset it.

    I *NEVER* lied or mislead the VERY HELPFUL CSRs or threatened to leave. I have been a D* customer since '00, and I told them that I have no intentions of leaving. I asked for things and got them. I was polite, respectful and expected nothing. I was happily rewarded.

    Its this type of Customer Service that has kept me a customer for nearly 15 years.
  10. Beerstalker

    Beerstalker Hall Of Fame

    Feb 9, 2009
    Peoria, IL
    Bit of a red flag here, because as far as I know techs never bring or install the AM21, they are strictly shipped directly to the customer for install. Sounds to me more like another CSR talking out of their behind in order to say what they think you want to hear and get you off the phone. Did you check your order online to see if there was anything about the AM21 on there?
  11. gov

    gov Legend

    Jan 11, 2013
    I too have never heard of a tech rolling with an AM21. Unusual to even talk to a D* CSR that even knows that there is such a thing as an AM21. (just had another D* tech beg me for some RG-59 cable ends, LOL, there be all kinds of goodies they don't have)

    FWIW, I have three at my house, IIRC, I bought one, and D* (eventually) gave me 2 for free. My customers that need the capability, and have me intercede with TPTB generally get them for free or for S&H. I won't spend too much time on the phone trying to find a CSR that knows of the AM21, if it looks like an hour phone call is looming I will just order one from Solid Signal (they be on sale today, btw). That hasn't happened very often.
  12. Beerstalker

    Beerstalker Hall Of Fame

    Feb 9, 2009
    Peoria, IL
    Yes, it's still pretty hard to find a CSR that even knows what an AM21 is. They tend to just think you are wrong and you are really talking about an HR21.

    I still don't understand whether or not they are supposed to be covered by the protection plan. I always assumed they were, until I had an issue with one and then was told they weren't. Had a big discussion on here and eventually it was stated that since it was purchased/self installed equipment that it wasn't. The protection plan supposedly only covered DirecTV installed equipment like receivers, multiswitches, wiring, PI, DECA, etc. But now I'm seeing reports of the Genie Go being covered by the protection plan, so if that is covered then why isn't the AM21. They are both self installed equipment. Maybe DirecTV has changed this policy recently?
  13. Bill Broderick

    Bill Broderick Icon

    Aug 25, 2006
    Long Island
    Don't give back DVR's unless you have to. Give back the H24.
  14. jperkins71

    jperkins71 Cool Member

    Feb 22, 2009
    Madison, WI
    Just went through a Genie upgrade yesterday. The installer said AM21's work with some but not all of the Genie units. He didn't know of a good way to tell whether it worked or not. D* won't provide any training on the AM21 at all; it is only a drop-ship item. Installers *rarely* have them on the truck.

    I did speak with a D* CSR agent last night about something else and asked about whether the AM21 would work with the HR44 Genie. He said it does not work with the AM21. I was staring at an HR44 with working AM21 attached at the time.

    You may find the AM21 will produce only a black screen on some channels as reported at
    I see it here on 15-2 here, which is a WeatherNation local broadcast; 15-1 is our local NBC affiliate. (Madison, WI market). Other OTA channels seem to work fine as long as you don't go through 15-2. And if you do, better go to a satellite channel before trying a different OTA broadcast, or it will be multiple channels of blackness for you. :( It would be great if D* engineering were to fix this some day.
  15. peds48

    peds48 Genius.

    Jan 10, 2008
    COrrect. Installers do not carry or install AM21s

    I fixed that for ya!
  16. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    Id actually deactivate the hr20 after the installer is gone, means he gets to keep it as a back up spare but not use it in general since its so dang hot and power hungry.
  17. CCarncross

    CCarncross Hall Of Fame

    Jul 19, 2005
    Just order one from your on-line acct if you really want one and be done with it...

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