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HRxx with 034C Software vs. Tivo

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Flyboy917, Sep 17, 2009.

  1. timmmaaayyy2003

    timmmaaayyy2003 Hall Of Fame

    Jan 27, 2008
    They do and they don't. If the playlist would sort by title instead of search terms, I'd use it more. The wife hated the last autorecord I tried for our USA shows.

    Not to mention, the average user IMO would have a hard time understanding boolean algebra if they even knew of its existance and if the show is currently in the guide, a title search doesn't give the option of autorecord.

    I'm not saying the HR series needs to fully emmulate Tivo, but this thread is about what we miss. What I miss is being able to perform a simple search and get my shows recorded. Currently, it's too complicated.
  2. Sixto

    Sixto Well-Known Member

    Nov 18, 2005
    Created a personal TiVo Series3 vs HR2x list a loooong time ago.

    Been crossing off the TiVo advantages items as they've been implemented on the HR2x.

    Very comfortable with the HR2x now, but just took a quick look at the old list to see what's left.
    • Tactile Remote (really liked the TiVo Glo Remote, HR2x remote is nice and we've gotten comfortable with it, but the tactile feel of TiVo Glo was great)
    • Remote "power" that also turns on/off the A/V receiver. (Since the switch to the HR2x, have needed to power on/off the A/V receiver manually a zillion times, the Peanut did this automatically at the same time as the TV, this is annoying every day for 3 years, yes I know we can get a universal remote but want to use the receiver provided remote)
    • Instantaneous response to trickplay. TiVo was immediate, HR2x there's a delay. But HR2x supports RF which Peanut didn't have.
    • MRV, but assume this is coming to HR2x.
    • 2Go. Just loved it.
    • Photo App. Was great and family loved it. Now use Series3 or PS3 to browse. Instantaneous to scroll through and display folders with photos.
    • Undelete
    The HR2x has many advantage including PIG (which is critical), but that list is the few items that I still miss.
  3. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

    Jun 18, 2006
    So really you miss the interface, not the feature? I certainly understand that. Please understand though that it it's not the intention of the HR2x to emulate a TiVO but to find its own way, a way that many people like better.
  4. dsw2112

    dsw2112 Always Searching

    Jun 12, 2009
    There's a thread in the CE about this one, but I liked the ability the Tivo had to pause a game indefinitely. Scenario: you're watching a game and get called away from the Tv. You hit record to ensure the whole game is saved, then pause to retain your position. The Tivo will hold this paused position indefinitely, but the HR2X will only hold for the 90 minute buffer. There are workarounds for this, but it was just one of those neat things...
  5. Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Jul 12, 2006
    Los Angeles
    DIRECTV2PC .. OK, granted there is no DIRECTV2MAC and trust me, if there were ever going to be one we'd already have it. But still, you can remote view on your PC today with the HR2x.
  6. Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Jul 12, 2006
    Los Angeles
    Yup, this is the problem with making "easy" copies of shows. New products are going to buckle down more and more.
  7. Ozam

    Ozam Cool Member

    Feb 27, 2008
    Sure the DirecTV HD dvr works fine, but I would take my TIVO(s) back in a millisecond if it was not for the compression issues. Tivo's software/remote are just better designed products. The best analogy is with MP3 players. You could easily buy an inexpensive player and it will work or you could do it right and buy an iPod.

    As it is, I'm stuck with DirecTV's product. It is fine, it does the job, and the picture quality is very good. It is not my ideal choice but I can live with it.
  8. Mike Bertelson

    Mike Bertelson 6EQUJ5 WOW! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 24, 2007
    I would like the ability to undelete. :grin:

  9. Rich

    Rich DBSTalk Club DBSTalk Club

    Feb 22, 2007
    Piscataway, NJ
    Still can't let go of the TiVo paradigm, huh? The HRs will never be TiVos anymore that the TiVos will be HRs.

    I did like the Peanut. I do like the HR's remotes. Took a while for me to get used to it, but I like it now.

    A new acronym. I had hoped we'd get past the "IMHO" acronym, who actually has humble opinions? I don't and I know the people that use "IMHO" don't, so why use it? "IMO" expresses your opinion well and saves a keystroke. Now we get what I hope is a typo. "IMOP"?

    No they didn't. I don't know how many HDDs I had to replace in mine (when I began the transition to HD, I had twelve TiVos activated), and at the end, they began rebooting randomly and constantly and D* and TiVo both blamed the other for that random rebooting.

  10. Rich

    Rich DBSTalk Club DBSTalk Club

    Feb 22, 2007
    Piscataway, NJ
    Agreed. I was mildly horrified by how many people in the TiVo forums used that feature. And were thrilled with it. Stupid doesn't begin to describe it.

  11. Rich

    Rich DBSTalk Club DBSTalk Club

    Feb 22, 2007
    Piscataway, NJ
    Really makes you wonder who programmed these two features into the TiVos. Couldn't have been done by committee.

  12. MoInSTL

    MoInSTL Legend

    Mar 29, 2006
    I love the Guide feature and alway took off the default Grid whenever I got a Tivo. It takes way too long to see what is playing on most channels with the Grid. Hitting the Info button is a poor workaround to see what else is playing on a particular channel. Still using my 10-250 in my bedroom. I like how the peanut remote fits the hand better too.
  13. MycroftHolmes

    MycroftHolmes AllStar

    Dec 8, 2008
    Most of the features I liked about TiVo are now implemented on the HRs. However, I really miss the search on TiVo. There are three things that I miss.

    • I miss the limiting of results to "channels I receive".
    • I miss the ability to specify a category on title searches.
    • What I miss most of all is the sorting and grouping of shows by title on keyword searches.

    The last item is a holdover from a live TV mindset. With a DVR I don’t care most of the time if it’s on now or 3 days from now, my primary concern is for the title of the show.
  14. Ozam

    Ozam Cool Member

    Feb 27, 2008
    I think the frustrating/disappointing thing for most of us is that DirecTV, for the most part, did not take the Tivo concept and make it better. This is because Tivo's primary business is to make DVRs while DirecTV's is not. As a result, DirecTV has been playing catch up ever since. While this was clearly an economic decision to avoid paying Tivo monthly fees, it is somewhat ironic because it was the old integrated Sony Tivos of days gone by that got me hooked on DirecTV in the first place.
  15. arkenhill

    arkenhill Cool Member

    Jan 24, 2007
    1) Searches - I have this search on one of my TiVos ["MY NAME IS EARL" "DODGES DAD"]. I missed the last episode of My Name is Earl and just want to see that one episode. Using the quotes lets me search for a show with both phrases in it. I have not figured out if this is possible with the HR-2x. Nothing I have tried has worked. It seems there is no way to search for two phrases on an HR-2x (unless of course there are right next to each other but I consider that one phrase, not two)

    2) 50 series limit. I have over 90 on my TiVos. Shows/Movies I would love to see but have not been on in years. Some Good examples are : "TWICE UPON A TIME" & Movies / "THEY CALL ME TRINITY" & Movies / "STAR COPS" & Themes/Science Fiction / "LEXX" & Themes/Science Fiction. I built these (and many others) because if they ever come back on TV I want to see them, but not enough to take up one of my precious 50 slots for shows or check to see if they are on every two weeks. I have had these WishLists for years on the TiVo and every one in a while (once every two years or so) I am surprised by some show it found because I built a WishList for it.

    3) See all WishList results at once. It took forever but was an over all time saver since I had maybe 60 to 90 searches saved on each TiVo. It was generally quicker to run them all at once that each on it own.

    None of these reasons is very important in the grand scheme of things. They are just three things I wished I had because I had them before. Kinda of reminds me of a quote from a book I read years ago "How do you hurt a man who has nothing? Give him back something that is broken." FYI - I love my HR-20 and HR-22, I also love my 2 SD DirecTiVos. Remember everyone, these are devices, not people. No monogamy required.
  16. DogLover

    DogLover Hall Of Fame

    Mar 18, 2007
    You might try search:


    While not searching on the exact phrases, it would require all the words to be present.

    Certainly not the same functionality. Definitely something that could be improved on the HR's.
  17. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    They both have a few features the other doesn't... Some will think that DIrectv has the more important exclusives, some will think Tivo has the more important exclusives...

    I think Directv does, cause there is nothing on a Tivo that I want to do I can;t do easily on a HR.....

    The only thing that even comes close is Tivo swivel search.. That is pretty cool....

    But I hate their remote, and their entire GUI... so once again, its really all about personal preference...
  18. TheShanMan

    TheShanMan Cool Member

    Sep 12, 2009
    Yes, and a related "feature" - I really miss the audible feedback of pressing buttons with tivo. In our house once a commercial came on, we got used to saying "do-do, do-do" rather than "fast forward". I miss "do-do, do-do". :(


    For the most part, I'm quite impressed with the receiver, I thought I'd miss tivo horribly, and I can't say that I do so far (the switch happened 1.5 weeks ago). But easily the biggest thing I miss is the ability to offload videos to my pc and burn them. That alone made hacking my series 1 tivo and installing a NIC worthwhile.
  19. bpratt

    bpratt Godfather

    Nov 24, 2005
    Salt Lake...
    I still have one HR10-250 which I still use to record OTA HD. One thing I notice is the trick play on the TiVo works better than trick play on my HR21-700s. The reason I like it better is the TiVo will skip forward or backward and display the video and then the audio, the HR21 skips forward or backward and displays the audio and then the video.

    Even though I have owned the two HR21s for over 18 months, I still continue to skip too far forward or too far backward with the HR21 but not the TiVo.

    My first DVR in the 1990s was a ReplayTV. It also would display video first.
  20. Flyboy917

    Flyboy917 Legend

    Oct 24, 2003

    Ding Ding Ding. We can simply call your post "the wife factor." The wife hates the HR remotes just looking at them. Doesn't want to learn. Doesn't care...it just looks too complicated. She was happy with the simple Tivo.

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