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HS Athlete Suspended for driving drunk friend

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Herdfan, Oct 15, 2013.

  1. Stewart Vernon

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    There is a lot we don't know here, though...

    Look at those punishments... First offense = 4 weeks OR 2 weeks w/ attendance of a program... Second offense = 8 weeks OR 4 weeks w/ attendance of a program.

    So... this girl could be a "first offender" and refusing attendance of a program because she says she is innocent OR she could be a 2nd offender and agreed to attend a program to shorten the punishment. For all we know, even if she wasn't drinking this time... she could have had a previous violation where she was... in which case, she shouldn't be the person going to pickup other drinking kids when she herself previously had a problem.

    So much we don't know here basically.
     
  2. James Long

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    "A student leader who is disciplined or involved in an incident involving a alcohol/drugs (controlled substance) violation at ANY TIME, including summer vacation, will lose his/her leadership position in addition to any other consequences."

    She willingly went to a location where an incident involving alcohol and/or drugs was underway. She claims to have a good motivation for being there. But she put herself in a bad situation.

    The school knows more about the entire situation than you or I.
     
  3. Herdfan

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    Maybe not. Read an article today that suggested that the Board's attorney told the court she had been arrested. That was not the case.

    To me it looks like the school got some bad info at the onset and are now refusing to back track on their original position even though they know they got it wrong.

    In the end, a few games and a captaincy are not that big of an issue. But something like this on her permanent record is.
     
  4. sigma1914

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    The infamous permanent record keeps track or your athletic career, too? !rolling

    She was suspended from the team, not school, from everything I've read. Why even sue the school over this? $$$$$$$
     
  5. AntAltMike

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    We can all pick and choose our own good and bad info. The allegation that the school's lawyer said in court that she had been arrested, like the allegation that he said she was drunk, do not come from transcripts. The allegations of inaccurate claims by the school's lawyer at the court hearing that I have seen were remarks attributed to the student's mother, and one of them was grammarically incoherent and in any event were not considered by the court in its decision to decline to accept the case, and there is no indication that the school relied upon erroneous reports of her behavior or involvement.

    Also, the excerpt in post #19 is unsourced and more importantly, even if it is from a school publication, it is not necessarily the code of conduct for student athletes that this student is alleged to have violated. Its laundry list of co-curricular activities it governs " (including but not limited to: clubs, theatrical performance, musical performance, student government, National Honor Society, etc.)", and seems to have deliberately avoided inclusion of participation in interscholastic sports.

    What time did this 17 year old get off from work? What time did she get the call? Did she get off from work by 10:00 or 11:00? Did her friend call her from this cool party before 10:00 and say, "Hey, I'm too bombed to stay at this cool party, and too bombed to drive myself home. Will you come and pick me up and save me from what is going on here, and what will be going on here for the next three or four hours after you have safely taken me out of here?" Give me an effin break.
     
  6. sigma1914

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    I found this...
    Rule 62 of the Massachusetts Interscholastic Athletic Association's Handbook (page 59)
    http://www.miaa.net/gen/miaa_generated_bin/documents/basic_module/MIAAHandbook1315.pdf

     
  7. James Long

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    So you're claiming you know more about the situation from finding articles on the Internet than those involved?

    Ok. :rolleyes:

    Let the Internet lawyers continue ...
     
  8. BattleScott

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    You need to pay closer attention to the story details. This girl is a VERY good volleyball player with the potential to play at the college level. Losing those games and leadership position could have a severe impact on that.
     
  10. sigma1914

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    It won't matter one bit if she is VERY good. She'll get offers if the talent is truly there.
     
  11. yosoyellobo

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    So I guess that if it was a football player who got suspended, he would not have any trouble at all. :)
     
  12. Herdfan

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    How did that work out for Randy Moss? Had a scholarship offer to play at Notre Dame. Got in a fight at school Offer withdrawn. I think he was pretty good too and that didn't matter.

    My daughter swims for a club team attached to a university, so I get to interact with some of the college swimmers. If they so much as have a beer and they are underage, they are booted from the team. So it is very easy to see a coach skimming this girls record to see an alcohol related offense and mark her off the list. I agree if she is VERY good, she will get a scholarship, but it just might be who chooses her, and not who she chooses.
     
  13. sigma1914

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    It worked out fine for Moss. Florida State (another top program) took him, but he violated probation there and the Seminoles let him go. He eventually went to your Herd, did just fine, and became one of the best WRs ever. They're acting like this girl's life is over.
     
  14. dpeters11

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    But, are things different with football? Some schools might be more willing to let something slide, especially in the past, since that is a cash cow for the schools with a major program.
     
  15. Stewart Vernon

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    Aren't extracurricular sports extracurricular? By which I mean to say... how can being banned from an extracurricular sport ruin your life? The goal of schools should be education, right?

    Meanwhile... I still say we don't have enough info to really be passing any kind of judgment. We don't know if this girl herself had a previous incident and was under some kind of "probation" herself... imagine, what if she was previously caught drinking and punished to a lesser extent... then demonstrates poor judgment by going to a party where there is alcohol and she is not supposed to be there... we just don't know.
     
  16. Drucifer

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    The followup . . .

    She lied
     
  17. yosoyellobo

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    Just can't believe anybody anymore. :)
     
  18. Stewart Vernon

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    Somehow I had a feeling we would eventually get... "the rest of the story"... to quote Paul Harvey.
     
  19. AntAltMike

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    But we don't have the rest of the story. The source of Drucifer's Post #36, the Valley Patriot, which I think is a monthly blog with an establishment-sounding name, has substantially retracted the story it published this morning, and their reporter says that if the information he claimed to have received from an undisclosed law enforcement source proves to be false, he will not be obligated to honor their confidentiality agreement. And the Cox family lawyer now says that the family is still going through with lawsuits against various parties and that the reason they are returning the legal fund donations is that "their lawyer" in the matter will be working on contingency. Funny that she didn't say explicitly that she, herself would be that attorney.
     
  20. AntAltMike

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    Upon further investigation, it looks like the Valley Patriot is an internet-only "newspaper" that is manned by its founder, Tommy Duggan, that he had been operating a tommyduggan.com blog from 1999 to 2004 in which he published his own opinions, and that he upgraded his blog to an internet newspaper in 2004, which is to say, he started selling ads. Beyond that, I don;t see that it has any investigative resources. It may, but I don't know of them
     

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