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HS Athlete Suspended for driving drunk friend

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Herdfan, Oct 15, 2013.

  1. Herdfan

    Herdfan Well-Known Member

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    If her parents can't afford to send her to college and the only way she can go is with an athletic scholarship, then yes losing out on that could impact her life.
     
  2. sigma1914

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    Again, if she is very good as you claim, she'll get offers. And if her parents can't afford it, financial aid and scholarships are available. No response for the Moss example you tried? ;)
     
  3. AntAltMike

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    Yeah, if she's real trouble she can sign with the Oakland Raiders.
     
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  4. BattleScott

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    Update to the followup... oops no she didn't
     
  5. sigma1914

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    Of course her lawyer said she didn't lie. The update just updated that she wasn't supposed to appear. Her friends and law enforcement sources still say she lied.
     
  6. BattleScott

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    it wasn't her lawyer, the original information provided to the blog writer was determined to be wrong (or at least incorrectly quoted) so they retracted their story. The only confirmed statement from law enforcement is the one from the officer that responded to the party where he very clearly states that she did not appear to have been drinking.

    Interestingly, this web-site is the only place that ran this "story". Sounds like maybe they seized on an opportunity to spike the hit-coiunters for thier ads to me.
     
  7. AntAltMike

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    I think that the Village Patriot just inadvertently stepped in doggie-poo and is having trouble stepping out. It looks to me like the Village Patriot is a one man band, and that one man is finding out how difficult it is to be first with a scoop while vetting it in a professional reliable manner.

    It is certainly true that some parents wrote in their own blogs that their kids told him that she lied, but that means nothing to me, because such claims, in addition to lacking subject specificity, are hearsay of conclusions of other hearsay. If a kid who went to the party read an inaccurate report, like the one on ESPN that blatantly mischaracterized the contents of its sole source article, and if a kid reacted to that by assuming that Erin was the source of ESPN's claim, then it is reasonable for that kid to react by incorrectly concluding Erin had lied if that party goer knew the claim attributed to her to be false or believed it to be false.

    I'm surprise by Village Patriot blogger Tommy Duggan's declared willingness to reveal his police department source if the information that he received in confidence proves to be false. I don't think that is the standard for breaching confidentiality that journalists normally use or that they can be required to reveal under subpoena, because the police source might not have deliberately given false information to Duggan. He might have made an error while acting in good faith.

    A stickier situation once arose when Oliver North accused Newsweek for leaking confidential information preceding a United States military mission that enabled Libya to increase its ammo loads in anticipation of the US attack, when it was North himself who had given that information to Newsweek in the first place. Newsweek publicly ratted North out as their sole source but never took any professional heat for having done so.
     
  8. BattleScott

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    I think he is more of a self-styled local "personality" than anythinn else. Looking at the way he posts in the comments and his other interests, I would not count "journalist" as one of his credentials. It almost seems like he has a personal vendetta against her, possibly related to his ties with school board types. His bio box on the page says he is a former "Lawrence School Committeeman".

    At any rate, it really points to the incredible amount of mis-information available and peoples willingness to belive what ever supports their own mind-set. Even if everything he originally posted WAS true, none of it actually meant anything to the case. The accusations of "lying" were based on people responding to innacurate reporting of what had happened anyways.

    #1 - The family never stated that she was not identified and issued a summons in connection with the event. The only information remotely close to that is her lawyer denying the schoold district lawyers assertion that she had been "arrested" for it.

    #2 - From the little that is known about them, it sounds like the students social media postings calling her a liar were pertaining to the initial (incorrect) report that she said she was not at the party prior to the police arriving.

    Based on the little factual reportiong around the incident, about all we know is that she WAS at the party for a period of time prior to the police arriving and that according to an officer on the scene, she HAD NOT been drinking. Her defense of being there was that she received a message from a drunk-friend and chose to help her. Based on my own experiences, I suspect that the truth is somewhere between "she went solely to pick up her freind" and "she had been hanging out for hours and was going to take her home after".

    But in either case, the fact that it was not associated in any way with a school event AND she was not drinking is all all i need to know. I just do not support the policies of the schools extending into kids personal lives. In reality, I don't even think the school should have any involvement even if she was drinking. Their policies and enforcable limits should end at the extent of the schools activities.
     
  9. Stewart Vernon

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    But... the participation into extracurricular activities is an invitation for the school to get into your personal life, isn't it? As I read it, she wasn't suspended from school was she? Just from the team... Now, if she was suspended from school due to drinking, I would be with you... but I think it is perfectly fine for a school to disallow you to participate in an extracurricular activity due to your own extracurricular activities.
     
  10. AntAltMike

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    But in fairness to the "accused", I am surprised that no source has yet published a rule that it is a violation for student athletes to be knowingly present during the illegal use of recreational drugs. I bet a lot of schools have such a rule.
     
  11. BattleScott

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    it is, the same policy is used to cover athletics in the handbook as well. There is a specifically detailed section dealing with it under the athletics participation area. The policy is te same, but the penalties are specifically laid out to address the specific logistics of athletics schedules.
     
  12. BattleScott

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    I disagree. The athletics are funded by the same tax-payers as the academic activities. In many cases, including this one I believe, the students actually have to pay a fee to participate as well. Should your employer have the right to ban you from office parties bacause you got drunk at someones house one time?
     
  13. James Long

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    Why not? Some employers will fire you if you got drunk at someone's house one time. With at will employment one must mind their Ps and their Qs.
     
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    Right. People have been fired when a drug test came back positive for nicotine.
     
  15. Stewart Vernon

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    But it is still an extracurricular activity. Winning the game doesn't allow you to get an automatic "A" grade in science class, or at least it shouldn't... and getting an "A" in class doesn't guarantee you a spot on the team either. They are independent things... but the extracurricular activity takes place outside of school-time.

    IF you miss practice or a game, you can be kicked off the team but not kicked out of school... BUT... if you skip class, you can be kicked off the team for that... so there is some precedent for activity outside the extracurricular activity effecting your participation in it.

    As to the employer angle... yes, actually. As long as your day job isn't affected by your attendance OR lack of attendance at an after-work party, then I think they could ban you from the party for any reason they want. It's a non-work event that might be sponsored and paid for by the employer/company, but shouldn't affect your job... and as such, your participation is voluntary... which means they don't have to invite you either... for any reason they want to give.
     
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    Really, you think it would be OK to have a "Whites Only" holiday party? A "No Gays" company picnic? A "Catholics Only" 401K plan? "Men Only" health insurance?

    And before anyone piles on, NO I am not trying to compare what this girl is experiencing to racial or sexual discrimination. Those are just extreme examples used to point out that an employer simply cannot treat employees however they please as long as it doesn't affect the core job responsibilities. There are practical and legal boundaries they have to be constantly aware and respectful of or they will wind up in a very bad situation very fast.
     
  17. Stewart Vernon

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    You are mixing apples and oranges... so let me sort that for you...

    A "whites only" holiday party? Yes. It would be short-sighted and mean, but as long as it is an after-work non-mandatory party that was after hours and work was not affected... then yes.

    A "no gays" picnic? Again... short-sighted and mean, probably create bad feelings in the workplace so not a good idea... but after-work non-mandatory events after hours that you aren't paid for attending? again yes.

    "Catholics only" 401K plan? Here's where you start to stretch. 401K is a benefit... a carrot dangled to employees. 401K and raises and promotions and such ARE part of the job. You have to offer 401K for everyone if you offer it for anyone. So, definitely NO on this.

    "Men only" health insurance? Same as above... No. it is a job benefit, so it directly is related to and affects the job... you can't restrict that.

    *I* wouldn't make restrictions... but then again, I wouldn't be having office parties anyway... I'm not a party person, never attended anywhere I ever worked... but IF I were a party planner person, I wouldn't exclude anyone BUT I wouldn't care if they didn't attend either.

    So, IF I were a party planner... imagine an after-work party where one worker harasses another worker... First step would be to take that person aside and say "ok, this is a party so I understand sometimes things get out of control and weren't meant to... so you get a pass this time as long as you don't do it at work, you apologize to the other worker, you don't come to the next party." IF they do it at the party they get banned from the party... IF it leaks over to the next workday, more might have to happen... but a minimum is a party ban.
     
  18. BattleScott

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    But a Holiday Party, or a company picinic is an expense paid for by the company. Those in attendance usually get a free meal, drinks, etc.? There are also intangible benefits such as social interactions between employees leading to better team-work, potemtial career path improvements, etc. That would have to be considered a benefits of the job, wouldn't they?
     
  19. James Long

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    Such questions are best handled the same place that this athlete's case is best handled. In the court system.

    Making definitive statements based on incomplete knowledge found on the Internet isn't a good thing.
     
  20. billsharpe

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    59 posts already on this topic, mostly based on speculation. The "known facts" are indeed elusive.
     

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