HS17-100

What is expected release date?


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I saw DTV's Revolution Conference is March 20th is that right? However looks like I will have to get the HR-54/C61k anyway. Not sure if I even need 15 tuners. HR-44 that I have the picture is starting freeze sometimes. I just ordered a Sony 65" 4k TV and it will be delivered next Saturday. Got the protection plan so the upgrade will be free.

 

It will still have a 2 year agreement I believe.. You may want to save that and hold out until this gets more pop on the 20th

 

Probably starting to run into bandwidth issues on the DECA network. Think about it: two 4K streams and however many remaining HD streams. Also, going to start running into bandwidth problems on the hard drive

 

That's what the spec allows, but is that what DirecTV is counting on having available? You have to think they are building in some allowances for less than perfect networking

Also, is this 4K limit on the tuner side or on the stream side? Could you record more than 2 4K programs at once? or could you watch 3 recorded 4K things at once?

Are you limited to 2 4K clients period, or just 2 4K sessions at once?

 

After the HS-17 comes out I wonder if you would be guaranteed an HS-17 with the HR-54 still being available?

 

Maybe, but look at how much they iterated on the Genie, even without adding any functionality until the HR-54. Just because this looks like it could last a while doesn't mean they can't/won't change it next year or in two years. Given that a final solution for U-Verse/IPTV customers is still outstanding and they are about to start rolling out 5G, I don't see them standing still even after they release this one. It being a good, stable platform could just mean that it's a good stable platform to base future modifications on.

There are probably going to be ways to assure that you get one of these. Prime example would likely be single TV 4K customers

 

If the HS-17 supports wireless RVU would that be a cool connection to do with an RVU TV or client box? I guess it would depend on what type of wireless range it would have?

 

The other thing we don't know is if the HS-17 will be a server/client only system with its own separate dish? Also if the HS-17 is a separate server/client system will it work along side the current H/HR equipment and that dish?

 

Or maybe at the DirecTV Revolution Conference we will found out its capabilities?

 

Well actually, if you have a decent bitrate, switching from 720p to 1080i gets you a LOT more clarity, with very little, if any noticable loss in smoothness, assuming you have a good de-interlacer. Content like basketball benefits a lot from 1080i, even though ESPN does about as good of doing a 720p feed as anyone.

The first generation or two of 1080p TVs didn't accept 1080p. At the time all the source content was 1080i or 720p, so the idea is they would display either equally as well vs. choosing between a 1080i or 720p TV.

Again, you're nitpicking terminology. I understand how the technology of 1080i works, but in terms of terminology, I think it's more correct to say 60 frames per second, understanding that each frame only has half of the lines in it in an interlaced signal, allowing a good de-interlacer to effectively transform a 1080i60 signal into a 1080p60 signal with the full set of lines in every frame.

I'm not surprised that ESPN is stubborn about 1080i, but I have watched both 1080i and 720p for similar content (basketball), and there is no question that 1080i is a better looking picture. The only reason for 720p is for people with crappy deinterlacers. I'd rather have a nice 1080i feed so I can choose how good of a deinterlacer to get clean, smooth motion I use versus a 720p feed with less resolution where there's nothing I can do to make it sharper. I can see the deinterlacing artifacts, but they are rare and far between compared to the lack of sharpness in 720p that is there during the whole game.

That makes sense. The deltas are much smaller between each frame. Then again, I have no clue what the point of 2160p120 is. There is no 2160i60, although that would be an awesome format for "bang for the buck" in terms of bandwidth usage. I suppose if there are only a couple of channels that go 4k, then bandwidth doesn't really matter, since DirecTV has the entire RB.

Cable isn't there yet. They have DOCSIS 3.1, but they need to convert their TV service over to IPTV before they will have a enough DOCSIS bandwidth to deliver 4k at scale. Comcast has already deliver 2160p60 via IPTV (through an app not a box), but so few people could get it that it didn't matter from a bandwidth perspective. They might be able to deliver a channel or two to a few subscribers at an extra charge now, a few years down the road they may be able to start scaling it up via IPTV.

Yeah, the architecture of the HS17 is good for the future. I'm not convinced we'll ever see 2160p120 or that there is any point to it, but it will be ready to handle anything from HD through 2160p120 if/when that ever comes along the line, and it will allow them to push 4k more to multiple TVs, maybe making the service a bit more sticky for higher end subscribers if they can get the content in line.

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out.

 

There are FIELDS and Frames rates and those CAN'T be used interchangeably.



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