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  1. Mar 13, 2017 #961 of 2175
    compnurd

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    I am thinking there is something off in the wording there...
     
  2. Mar 13, 2017 #962 of 2175
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    The 802.11ac is for the HS17 to act as an access point to serve wireless clients like the C61W and future 4K wireless clients, not for it to receive wireless from your router. Maybe it will be able to connect to your router for internet via wireless also, but I wouldn't count on it. Since you can place it anywhere, they might require it to be connected via ethernet.

    I sure hope they allow for a way to disable its wireless, there's no way I'm going to have multiple wifi transmitters sitting around I can't disable - though I guess I could open them up and cut the wires to the antennas if all else fails.
     
  3. Mar 13, 2017 #963 of 2175
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    We will need to see about the mixing of the Moca devices The Previous doc said up to 7 slot with a max of 5 being Moca 1.1.. not saying they could not have changed something.. It will be interesting because that means if someone upgrades and had 3-4 C31-C51 minis.. they need to change them all out to C61
     
  4. Mar 13, 2017 #964 of 2175
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    I would imagine it will be the same as the HR54 now.. If you hardwire it will disable wireless and you probably need to turn on the WVB to add a C61W
     
  5. Mar 13, 2017 #965 of 2175
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    How would you do DirecTV Cinema with the HS-17? What if the HS-17 on one side of the house and your Gateway is on the other side of the house? Or say the HS-17 is in the basement and the gateway is upstairs? That would be a long run for the Ethernet cable.
     
  6. Mar 13, 2017 #966 of 2175
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    Or if coax is next to the gateway put a DECA-BB there to connect, no need for wireless.
     
  7. Mar 13, 2017 #967 of 2175
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    I think that is why they say in the instructions to install near the customers gateway and run a coax to it.. I am sure it still has wireless just in case.... But as we all know that is not as reliable
     
  8. Mar 13, 2017 #968 of 2175
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    If I do end up getting this thing which sounds like its going to be a huge PITA, I'd put it in a second floor bedroom. I have an RG6 drop there thats home run into the attic and they'd have to tie it in to the RG6 drop that goes down to the living room. No way in hell am I putting it anywhere near my router. That's like the worst possible location accessibility wise.
     
  9. Mar 13, 2017 #969 of 2175
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    There's a lot of gnashing of teeth over how to setup the HS17, but it is really simple. If the first client on the network is on the same physical coax/DECA cloud, then router settings, IPs, etc, are all meaningless. They can self-configure, regardless of the IP range actually in use in the customer's home, to a minimum configuration so that the client can talk to the HS-17 and show a UI. Then, more complicated wifi or IP configuration to get the HS-17 on the internet can be done.

    Sometimes (a lot of times) everyone here tries to overthink things. Don't get too ahead of yourselves :)
     
  10. Mar 13, 2017 #970 of 2175
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    They wouldn't have included beamforming 802.11ac if it was only going to use its wireless to connect to your home internet. Why the hell does it need that simply to download VOD?

    It is clearly using that to talk to the clients, so wireless works better and more importantly will work for higher bandwidth needs like streaming 4K with eventual wireless 4K clients.
     
  11. Mar 13, 2017 #971 of 2175
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    Wonder how C41W's and existing WVB's would fit into that? I would guess that the WVB would count as one MOCA 1.1 device and not care how many C41W's are hung off of it.
     
  12. Mar 13, 2017 #972 of 2175
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    Client limitation is an artificial one, keep
    In mind that right now DIRECTV limits 8 clients on a current Genie but DECA can support 16 nodes.

    So you can have a wireless video bridge and the 7 clients.


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  13. Mar 14, 2017 #973 of 2175
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    So do they not have home networks at all, or do they just not have their Wi-Fi password in their DirecTV boxes? I don't know anyone who doesn't have broadband, a lot of people don't have TV, or have very limited TV.

    Wow, that's pretty limited storage wise. It's a little bigger than a 3TB TiVo when you factor in compression, but you can't add more boxes on like most other DVR systems.

    It sounds to me like it's all or nothing with the HS17. That really makes no sense. For installer training, they could send out a commercial installer for a few hundred bucks for the 1% of people who want an HS17 plus a bunch of other boxes if they don't limit it in software. Then again, they never got the software on the HR44/54 to handle multiple HR44/54s, which should have been fairly easy, so maybe the HS17 won't even be able to work with HR2x/44/54 boxes, even if they are on separate SWiM segments.

    You could build a faraday cage around it if you're really that worried about it?
     
  14. Mar 14, 2017 #974 of 2175
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    Yeah, no home internet at all. They see no need for it as they can do mostly everything on their phones and/or tablets.


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  15. Mar 14, 2017 #975 of 2175
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    Shouldn't a WVB count against the DECA node count and not the client count?

    At least, certainly not as an RVU client like the minis or an RVU-enabled TV?

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  16. Mar 14, 2017 #976 of 2175
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    Wow. That is so weird, not having home internet, but having pay TV. Pay TV is a luxury, broadband internet is a necessity akin to running water and electricity.
     
  17. Mar 14, 2017 #977 of 2175
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    Yes, exactly what I meant. I thought I read somewhere here that the HS17 will only support 7 clients but they can all watch TV at the same time, if not the case, please correct.


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  18. Mar 14, 2017 #978 of 2175
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    Again, I didn't say they don't have internet, they do, is just that they choose to access it differently.

    This is in the big city where mobile internet is very reliable and fast for the most part.

    I maybe different then most folks, but my priorities for these services are as follow

    1. House internet
    2. Cell service with internet access
    3. Pay TV.

    So if money was tight, I would start by cutting from the bottom. As of now I only pay full price for 1 & 2 with 3 coming in heavily discounted.


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  19. Mar 14, 2017 #979 of 2175
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    Most ISPs do the same thing DirecTV does... call and ask for the loyalty / retention department and get a discount. I have internet and digital phone through Cox and I think sticker on the combo is like $110 - $120 and I'm only paying $88.
     
  20. Mar 14, 2017 #980 of 2175
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    Beamforming is overrated, improvements are neglible. You're talking ~2% to 4% in average real world use cases. Plus you need clients that support beamforming to make it work. Thirdly, the HS17 has internal antennas which won't really work very well. There's a reason routers have external antennas nowadays :). They used to be internal and they didn't work as well as the external ones.
     

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