HS17-100

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by slice1900, Nov 30, 2016.

  1. Riverpilot

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    Wireless ONLY to clients? That would be idiotic. A lot of people, myself included, don't get very good coverage throughout their entire homes. I doubt they would make this "wireless ONLY" type of setup, but if it is... guess I'm out. Wired or nothing for me.
     
  2. slice1900

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    It isn't wireless only, we already know that for 100% certainty thanks to ROK5TAR's post of the installation instructions, among other things.

    People sure are quick to believe whatever misinformation gets posted about the HS17. Reminds me of how everyone got thrown into a panic based on a poorly worded statement by AT&T's CEO where people thought Directv was going to drop satellite and go streaming only... :rolleyes:
     
  3. HoTat2

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    Thanks Peds and slice ...

    Almost had a heart attack when I read tlarseth's post ...

    A wireless to client only option for the HS17 would have been a real deal killer for me.

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  4. CraigerM

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    Found these new photos in that link that tlarseth posted. They also had photos of the inside but that link was too large to post.

    In the internal photos it was using this Broadcom chip.

    BCM7366
     

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  5. CraigerM

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    User manual also posted.
     

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  6. James Long

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    Thank you. Perhaps we should consider the manual "required reading"? Hopefully people take the time to read it.
     
  7. compnurd

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    And there we have it. You can either use this tech mobile app or connect a client to it to see the set up screens. Page 20
     
  8. CraigerM

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    No problem. The earlier feature that I "Hardwiring from the customers router is preferred as this allows the HS17 to never require software downloads" I think its because of what they say in the manual. They prefer a wired connection and they want the HS-17 placed 4ft away from the Gateway. The Internet connection set-up asks are you sure you want wireless? Which is strange because my HR-44 is farther from that and says it my Internet connection is good.
     
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  9. James Long

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    Note that the preference to connect to the Internet is for initial software update and the manual makes it clear that via sat will also work ... just slower. (I assume additional updates will be available quickly via the Internet.)
    The four feet is a MINIMUM distance to other wireless devices to avoid interference.

    I like the humor in the manual. I hope it remains in the final version. "Help, I have fallen over ..."
     
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  10. peds48

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    And there you have it folks.

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  11. slice1900

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    Well it answers a few questions.

    1) It can be a client to your home network, but over 2.4 GHz only. Presumably it does that to reserve the 5 GHz antennas for providing service to wireless clients.

    2) It sounds like you don't need the installer's app. If you add a (wired or wireless) client to it (which may require the "add client" button on top) you can see the same screens as on the installer's app.

    3) As James says, it can download its software over the internet (at least for initial install) which should speed things up a bit for the installer. But it will still work over satellite.

    4) They've changed the way client activation works; it uses "full client tracking" and got rid of "lenient mode" (whatever that is) Those more familiar with the way the current process works, which I have zero experience with, can comment on the differences.

    5) You can add additional WVBs to extend the network, so getting enough reach to cover your whole house probably won't be an issue for most.

    6) It talks about the process to replace the HS17, but not whether recordings will be lost or can be moved. Since they aren't mentioned, presumably the same restrictions apply as with replacing a Genie/DVR today.

    7) Interestingly one of the example screens showed it connected to an 8 tuner SWM. I wonder if it will work on that? I wouldn't have to replace my SWM16s with SWM30s if that's the case. This guide also says it takes 11 tuners, but that same screen shows 15 separate tuners...

    8) It talks about Genie clients and MRV clients, and also mentions you have to have at least 11 tuners available on a SWM with at least 13 tuners. So there is the same support for non-clients on the same SWM/MoCA network as with the current Genie. But like I said, the talk about this not being possible may be a condition of testing, or may be a business decision for how they plan to offer this in the future.


    From the internal photos (which were way more detailed than on previous Directv gear on the FCC site) I was able to learn it is using 64Mb (8MB) NOR flash chips. It may be a stack, or maybe there is some NAND there to hold the full code (which is a 34MB download, so can't fit in 8MB) Consumer wireless routers typically have a small amount of NOR flash for the basic boot code (u-boot) and NAND for the rest, which is then loaded into RAM and executed from there. Maybe it keeps the code on the hard drive, and they don't plan to make a version without a hard drive like the H44.

    It looks like it uses 2Gb DDR3 RAM chip (or stack) so at least 256MB of RAM. There are various wifi chips from Broadcom and Quantenna that we already knew about, and of course the main SoC we already knew about, plus some I wasn't able to identify with a quick google. Maybe someone else will have more luck.

    Good find CraigerM. I had checked the site last week but they hadn't put up any of this stuff despite the three month embargo expiring. Glad to see they finally posted it!
     
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  12. compnurd

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    The one RAM Chip H5AN4G6NAFR looks like it is a 4GB chip and there are two one them H5AN4G6NAFR-xxC are a 4Gb CMOS Double Data Rate IV (DDR4) Synchronous DRAM

    The Other RAM Chip d9tbk Translates to a MT40A512M16JY-083E Which is a 8GB chip and there is two of them also.. This thing could have some serious HP with all of this DDR4 RAM
     
  13. JosephB

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    a lot of interesting information within that PDF

    It can record 2 4K channels at once, and 7 total recordings at once.

    Max of 2 4K clients out of a total of 8 registered clients, and 7 active

    It can join a wifi network as well as serve as an access point for wireless clients. That will be huge for installers and getting more of these on the internet.

    So far the only strike against it is that it's yet another power supply. as big as this thing is, they should've just put the power supply inside the thing
     
  14. P Smith

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    these chip's size in Gbits, not bytes, so 24 Gb will fit in PDF data: 3GB RAM
     
  15. Bill Broderick

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    I'm not sure that I understand the 11 tuners, but only 7 recordable tuners thing. Are they saying that you can watch Live TV at 4 client locations, while still recording 7 other programs at the same time?
     
  16. slice1900

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    I guess we all missed this section of the manual on page 10: "3 GB DDR4, 8MB SNOR / 256MB NAND Flash" :D
     
  17. P Smith

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    nope, I got it right away during reading first time and send PM to other member
     
  18. slice1900

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    It isn't clear how the math works for recordings vs clients. Maybe it has some stupid limitation on using one of the 8 tuner chips for recording and the other for RVU? If it was limited to 7 RVU + recordings I'd kind of understand that - it would be preparing for the future since that is the maximum number of 4K RVU + recording it could do with bonded transponders. The screen that shows all the system info shows tuners 1-7 as "SAT, Record" and tuners 8-15 as "SAT". Of course that is hooked up to an 8 tuner SWM, so who knows...

    Guess we'll have to wait until we can hopefully hear something from people in the test markets that are launching next month.
     
  19. inkahauts

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    External power supplys are a good thing. Taking that much heat out of this box will make it last longer and cause less interference for all the wifi capabilities it has. I see that as a good thing. Plus easy to replace without losing recordings etc if the power supply went bad.
     
  20. slice1900

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    Yeah, external power supplies are annoying, until you have to replace an entire device (whether it is a set top, a TV, or whatever) because of the failure of an internal power supply!

    The PS outputs 72 watts, and while I'm sure there's some safety margin there, that's already a fair amount of heat for a box of this size. You don't to add more. Looks like it has a small fan inside to help with the heat though, which is nice. If you disable wireless it may only draw half that; 802.11ac APs are pretty power hungry.
     

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