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Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by slice1900, Nov 30, 2016.

  1. slice1900

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

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    I don't think we can read something like that from a manual, there is certainly not and won't be anything "official" about a company's strategic direction contained in a user manual.

    We haven't seen any new equipment that couldn't serve clients for six years. The only difference with the HS17 is that it doesn't output video, but like the HR34/44/54, it is designed to serve clients. So I think it is pretty safe to infer client/server is where they have been going since 2011 and will continue going. Actually that's probably been their plan far longer, since they showed off a forerunner of the HR34 years earlier.

    An IMHO more interesting question for a lot of people here that the manual does shed some light on is whether it will be permitted to mix HS17s and other stuff like HR24s. Since the manual mentions use of both RVU and MRV in conjunction with the HS17, and talks about the need for "11 available tuners" to connect an HS17, it has clearly not been written from the perspective of the HS17 not working with other equipment. It does not mention the possibility of another 'server' device that can have clients like an HR34/44/54. So I expect you will have to trade in your Genie to get the Genie Air, but you'll be able to keep your HR24s etc. I still think the talk we're hearing about needing a second dish for the HS17 is a condition applied only to those testing it to reduce variables, and won't be the policy when it is officially rolled out nationwide. But that's just a guess, and the language in the manual could always change if Directv has changed their mind on that.

    The other open question is how long you'll be able to get standalone receivers and DVRs. Even if they don't allow you to get them along with an HS17, will they let you get them for an RV? Or will you need to bring your HS17 and a client from home, or get a second account with its own HS17 + client, for the RV? While I think those who are whining about having "another box" with the HS17 are complaining about nothing, it isn't that big, but in an RV where space is at a premium it may be more of a concern. Though the wireless capability would be nice if they don't have coax where they want their TV.
     
  2. Bill Broderick

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    We've seen no such thing. Unless they allow for multiple HS-17's, doing so would eliminate everyone who wants / needs more than 7 tuners.

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  3. RAD

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    If anything past experience has shown was that DIRECTV is not that interested in supporting the customer that doesn't fit their 'average' user. Hence the no more then one Genie per account since most customers don't need more then 5 tuners. A limit of 100 SL's since most customers don't need more then 100. No more AM21/OTA support since most customers don't need OTA. No saving recordings to an external drive for backup and off load from the DVR since most customers don't need that. No more PIP since most customers don't use it. No more stop button on the remote since most customers don't use it. See the pattern here?
     
  4. slice1900

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    I predict they will allow multiple HS17s. It sounds like they've changed the way it associates with clients, perhaps that change was to allow it to keep better track of who owns what client in an environment with multiple HS17s. The fact the HR24 gets older by the day without replacement means that can't be the plan for such customers for very long. If someone has a mansion with 20 TVs, are they really going to offer them an HS17, some clients, and bunch of 5+ year old HR24s and H25s? I can't see it.

    The catch is that you may not be able to have two on a SWM LNB. If it refuses to work without at least 11 tuners (or 15 when connected to a reverse band SWM) and doesn't provide a way to disable some, you'd need a legacy LNB and Digital SWM 30 switch to handle two.

    The math is a bit interesting in regards to the SWM 30. The HS17 has a SWM-15 input, and the SWM 30 probably has two 15 channel outputs - though based on a recent Directv patent filing, there's a chance it may be a single 30 channel output. Either way, it looks like it has been planned for two HS17s per switch. If you add up (HS17 + 7 clients) x 2 you get 16 DECA nodes, the DECA limit. Surely 14 tuners / TVs is enough for even dbstalk power users :)
     
  5. slice1900

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    Most customers don't need more than 5 tuners, but if you wanted 50 they'd offer you a stack of HR24s to go along with your Genie. Just because they didn't offer that person 10 Genies doesn't mean they weren't interested in supporting them. Same with the 100 SLs, you could get more DVRs if you wanted to handle that.

    It remains to seen whether the AM21 is the end of the road for OTA, or the lack of AM21 support in the HS17 is because they're replacing it. I don't know anything about the external drive thing you're referring to. The HS17 has an eSATA port, why have that if you aren't going to be allowed to plug in an external drive?
     
  6. CraigerM

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    That would be cool if they would let you use the HR-24, H-24 and H-25 with the HS-17. If they did that I wonder if those boxes could share the HS-17 tuners and you could set a recording from the HR-24, H-24 and H-25 on the HS-17?
     
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    I sure wish this had Sports Bar Mode. It would be perfect for March Madness. If only we could use the Hopper 3 with D*. :(
     

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  8. JosephB

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    You're telling me. We would've been better off those years ago if DirecTV and Dish had been allowed to merge. DirecTV has so much more bandwidth and better HD coverage, but Dish's equipment is better by far.
     
  9. HoTat2

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    Are you referring to a possible future update?

    As P. Smith recently points out back in post #1077.

    Scrounging from the manual, so far the HS17 takes 11 tuners with any digital SWM LNB or ext. module, Reverse Band capable or not.

    The purpose of tuners 12 - 15 is still unknown...



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  10. James Long

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    I would not expect the HS-17 to be used with a Genie until DIRECTV routinely allows multiple Genies on an account.
     
  11. Bill Broderick

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    I don't think that anyone who was a customer of XM or Sirius would argue that either service is better since they were allowed to merge. They are still operating as two separate services. But, without competition, the need for technical innovation and improved programming has ceased to exist.

    I don't see any reason that things would be different with a merged DirecTV / Dish.

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  12. CraigerM

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    I wouldn't care about having the HS-17 with the HR-44. Just having the HS-17 with the HR-24, H-24 and H-25.
     
  13. P Smith

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    the DTV wording is so ambiguous !
    - seems to me DTV will use same scheme - REPLACE internal by external HDD.

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  14. SledgeHammer

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    This is official? You won't be able to plug an AM21 into the HS17? Not sure there is much point in releasing a new OTA solution that's not ATSC 3.0 at this point since that's so close. The standard I mean, not content :).
     
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    A DirecTV / Dish merger would have been a disaster for us. DirecTV would have been the alpha male and thrown out anything Dish... including that whole part about not ripping people off on cost :).

    Dish giveth while DirecTV taketh away:

    1) OTA support
    2) Netflix support
    3) Better, more practical hardware
    4) Media Sharing
    5) Decent remotes
    6) Trick play in guides / menus
     
  16. Bill Broderick

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    If you consider the Product Manual to be "official", then yes it is. Page 13 of the manual says that the HS17 is not "AM21 Compatible".
     
  17. slice1900

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    I bet they will allow multiple HS17s, but not HS17 + old school Genie since the old Genies won't be using the HS17's newer method of associating with clients. That newer method hopefully fixes the problems past CE testers have found when they have two 'servers' on the same network, which would allow them to support two HS17s on an account. Like CraigerM, I think most people here don't care about having a HS17 + old Genie but will care about having an HS17 along with their older HR2x/H2x, or having two HS17s.

    Rumor has it they won't allow anything but clients to be used with the HS17 - and Scott's source seemed to confirm it - but the manual appears to dispute that. I still think they are only enforcing that during testing. If you think about it, almost everyone who would be testing the HS17 already has a Genie, and they don't want the testers chasing issues caused by having the HS17 and Genie "fighting" over the clients. Having a separate dish for the HS17 and its clients avoids all those issues, so any problems found are sure to be ones real customers may encounter that need to be addressed.
     
  18. peds48

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    If you connect a RB LNB the 54 will report as using all seven tuners, if you connect to digital LNB not RB it will use only 5 tuners. Since the HS17 supports 4K I am pretty sure that DIRECTV will require RB LNB on all HS17 installs.


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  19. peds48

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    They might let use use stand alone DVRs, but they won't be able to schedule to the HS17 just as it works today with the current Genies. You may be able to schedule with stand alone receivers.


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  20. JosephB

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    I think you guys are trying to read too much into a draft of a manual for a device that is still in beta testing. Under what circumstances you'll be able to have other receivers on an account with an HS-17 is a total crapshoot right now, and I wouldn't bet on anything in that manual being correct at the end.
     

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