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HS17-100

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by slice1900, Nov 30, 2016.

  1. MysteryMan

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    Recordings are encrypted to the DVR and cannot be transferred.
     
  2. rbpeirce

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    I figured as much. Thanks.
     
  3. P Smith

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    added a clarification
     
  4. AZ.

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    This thinking confuses me?....When you vacation or go far away from home do you also worry about your car breaking down?....Things go wrong, often? No....Life is a gamble...If you lose your TV for 2 days will it kill you?.....Only thing that bugs me is the loss of recordings!

    Sounds like looking at failer is looking at the glass half empty all the time?
     
  5. millercentral

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    Just updated from a HR-54 and 2 (failing) HR24s to the Genie 2 and 3 C61K clients. So far, the family is really liking it. It feels much more responsive then the previous receivers, and the firmware the clients took a day or so after the install seem to have addressed the audio dropouts issue of the C61K clients. My wife really likes having all Recording management centralized, rather than having to go to different receivers to change recording options -- and the capacity and 100 show series cap is well above what we use.

    One issue I haven't been able to figure out yet:

    - My tablet DirecTV app which was registered as a mobile device on the system before the update still shows the old receivers in list and thinks it is "out of home" as a result. Does anyone know how to update the mobile app registration to the new installation?

    Thanks!
     
  6. inkahauts

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    You may need to delete the app wait a day and the reinstall it and then re pair it with your new genie 2.

    You have just pointed out many of the great positives of this system that far outweighs the if it goes down you have no tv argument, since that may or may not ever happen. In a few years...
     
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  7. inkahauts

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    This is the common argument many use to say they do not like the genie 2. Personally, I will say the 100 series link is an issue, but the rest is just not logical to me either....
     
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  8. Bill Broderick

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    No. But, I do drive with a spare tire and jumper cables in my car. I also have a generator at my house to keep the electricity on when there is a power failure. While life may be a gamble, we do things to ameliorate the situation when unplanned things occur. As an IT professional, I'm not a big fan of single points of failure when they can easily be avoided.
     
  9. patmurphey

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    It's silly to worry about single point of failure for an entertainment device. The DVR's hardly ever fail, but if one does, the short time you wait there is always streaming or, horrors, reading. It's even sillier to give up improvements over the issue. I happily replaced 2 Hoppers to get 4k, never ever to worry about conflicts, speed, sports bar, etc., with one Hopper3.
     
  10. inkahauts

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    To me the spare tire is the equivalent of a blu ray player and or an appletv and over the air. Not having multiple DVRs. Just me.
     
  11. J Blow

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    What's so hard about grasping a single point of failure versus an option that doesn't have a single point of failure? For example, no, most people don't skip vacations or any car travel out of fear for breaking down but if someone says, "hey, which car do you want....one that has X number of things that could go wrong that each render your vehicle completely useless or one that will allow you to continue driving unless all X number of things that could go wrong do so all at once?" One option is clearly better if you have any single care about not being stranded. If you don't care about being stranded then yes, one car offers nothing over the other. So, it's not about living worryfree, being glass half full, or even trying to decide what kills you if you are missing it...it's about choosing the best option for you based on what's important to you. Personally, I don't want to be without my TV for 2 days (even though I may not use it at all) but indicating one option holds no advantage over the other is a ponderous take - especially based on someone else's personal preferences.

    So, having a single point of failure and a just a single central unit of operation is a primary reason I've thought about using my upgrade on an HR54 while it's still available - versus having to take the HS17.
     
  12. Bill Broderick

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    Disagree. The spare tire allows me to continue to do what I was doing before getting a flat (driving my car) and multiple DVR's allow me to continue to do what I was doing before one DVR died (watch DirecTV programming).

    IMO, riding a bus for a few days, instead of driving my car after getting a flat tire, would be more consistent with watching Blu rays or streaming content from another source if my source of DirecTV programming died.
     
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  13. Bill Broderick

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    There are no improvements (that I have any use for) that an HS17 based system can provide me over an HR54 based system. However, there are things that I would have to give up with an HS17 based system. What logical reason is there to give up functionality solely for the sake of getting something new?

    In the future, my needs may change. I may have 4K TV's all over the house and the only option to view 4K programming may continue to be an HS17. If, at that point, DirecTV has enough 4K programming to offset the loss of recordable tuners and the addition of a new potential single point of failure, it might make sense to go that way. But, at this point, it makes no sense for me at all.
     
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  14. J Blow

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    Exactly...except even riding in a bus accomplishes the original goal and you get where you are going. A blu-ray is more like giving someone a bike and telling them they can ride in the opposite direction they were going. If your TV goes out and the superbowl is on, it's hard to think throwing in a DVD would be a solid solution. I can just see myself standing up to ask the 18 people in my living room there to see the game what the big deal is since you're still viewing something on TV.
     
  15. HoTat2

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    The only problem with the "spare tire" approach though is that DIRECTV is not going to give out the equivalent of any more new or improved spare tires.

    The only DVR receiver left to support the spare tire model nowadays from DIRECTV is based on the continued worthiness of the aging and increasingly slow HR24s. The last of which was mfr. in 2010 was it?

    So it's really coming down to a case of just the Genie 2 or nothing from DIRECTV anyhow.

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  16. inkahauts

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    I’ve always understood your and others thinking. What I do not get as how you can say that no one should think differently.

    For most people to me the single point thing is not at all something that outweighs the single unified guide, series manger, and so on.

    Ease of use is far more important and is something that is done daily. Worrying about having to only watch dvd maybe once in a few years (if ever) for a night doesn’t even compute as a blip on the radar.

    For people who need more than seven tuners and 100 series, that makes total sense to go a different route.

    To say someone shouldn’t get a hs17 based solely on single point of failure is short sighted for almost every person but a few here that also can do their own installs and actually have spare dishes, switches and can make their own cables. If you can’t do that you still have single points of failure.

    I just think to many people post about this single point thing to people asking for opinions and skip how much easier a genie 2 for them would actually be unless they need more than an hs17 can physically do, like 100 series. Making some ones system overly complicated (multiple DVRs to track series settings etc) for the sake of this single point argument is misleading imho. I totally get why you want it. But it doesn’t seem like the advice given to people asking about it is tailored to how that person would use the system. It’s seems to be always tailored to how the person answering uses theirs.
     
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  17. Bill Broderick

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    Then let's go back to the actual question that started this offshoot of the discussion. Someone asked if there are any reasons not to get an HS-17 instead of the Genie plus 2 DVR system that he currently has.

    I answered that question by telling him about the single point of failure, the loss of 2 recordable tuners and 100 series compared to his current system. I than said that if none of these things mattered to him, then there is no reason not to accept the upgrade offer. i fail to aee how that answer was moaleading or tailored to how i use my system. if anything, the posts responding to mine stating that caring about a single point of failure is ridiculous, with no regard for how I use my system have been the ones that have been tailored to how those people use their own systems.

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  18. dod1450

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    Another reason if you have the AM-21 OTA box. It will NOT work with the HS-17.
     
  19. codespy

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    Good discussion, and great points across the board. I chose the HR54 route this year rather than the HS17, but I guess it's not real common for a sub to have 29 tuners! I also have many spare tires for when I lose some of HR24's. I have 4 extra owned HR 24's IRD's in case motherboards die, but otherwise I have extra fans, power supplies and hard drives in case those parts die. The HR24's are still way faster than the HR34 which many people are still stuck with, and the rest of the HR2x family.

    I just had another original AM21 die last week, but I got 7 spare tires of those too.

    And yea the HR54 setup only allows for one 4K stream, but I have one 4K C61K upstairs and another one is downstairs. We are either upstairs or downstairs but not usually both, and there is not much 4K content right now to warrant such a use of 2 receivers/4K programs at the same time with DirecTV.
     
  20. codespy

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    Oh.....I forgot to mention....I can have 700 series links with my setup, and I barely watch TV. I'm seeking counseling soon. :)
     

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