HS17 Thumbs up or Thumbs down?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Andrew Sullivan, Mar 7, 2019.

  1. WestDC

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    What that will do -is eliminate the need for a Local install of a Dish and all the problems of line of sight issue's (however) Data Caps & high Speed internet (not) being ever where - It will be a long way off. 5G roll out will take longer as well.
     
  2. Andrew Sullivan

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    Not sure what 36 channels will be broadcasting in 4K. Maybe a few sports or nature channels but if the big boys ( NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, CW, USA, SCIFI, TNT) don't jump in the 4K water, then 4K will remain a curiosity.
     
  3. slice1900

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    Even if the networks jump in, and local stations decide to use ATSC 3.0 for 4K instead of oodles of additional subchannels, that doesn't matter for Directv because they will NEVER deliver 4K locals via satellite.
     
  4. SledgeHammer

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    Why's that? ATSC 3.0 with H.265 uses anywhere up to 25% to 50% less bandwidth then MPEG4 for similar quality. So theoretically they can carry two 4K locals with the bandwidth of one 1080i local. Also, they are dropping MPEG2 soon, that'll free up a lot of bandwidth.

    Then again, this is AT&T we're talking about, so they'll probably use it for more VOD and $20/hr porn :rolleyes:.

    There is actually at least one station in the US that is doing ATSC 3.0 / 4K trials. At least they were in 2016.
     
  5. P Smith

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    and it got a name C71KW
     
  6. slice1900

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    Freeing up bandwidth by dropping MPEG2 does not help with locals AT ALL because they need spot beams to deliver locals. Their spot beams are all basically maxed out carrying HD locals, they need to launch a new satellite with massive spot beam capacity to carry 4K. They aren't going to do it, so you will never see 4K locals via satellite from Directv. Same would be true if AT&T hadn't bought them.

    And your calculations are ridiculous, a 1080i MPEG4 HD channel uses about 6 Mbps on Directv. You really think they can carry two 4K channels in 6 Mbps? What exactly are you smoking??
     
  7. SledgeHammer

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    Actually, I was smoking something lol. What I had MEANT to say was that H.265 is much more efficient then MPEG4. One article I read said its up to 64% more efficient then MPEG4 on 4K streams. I guess if the hardware doesn't support H.265 both on the ground and in the air, its a moot point. The AT&T CEO said they aren't launching any more. So why did he buy DirecTV lol? Streaming ain't right for everybody and isn't any cheaper as we can see by DirecTV Now. It's the same darn price!
     
  8. slice1900

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    The satellites are purely analog, they don't know or care what sort of compression scheme is used or that the data is even digital. Directv's 4K clients already use h.265. But you are still talking around 20 Mbps per channel, meaning just for the "big 4" locals in 4K you'd need need a couple spot beam transponders for each market.

    Even if they were planning on launching more satellites, to support 4K spot beams for locals they'd need to spend like a half billion dollars to build the biggest spot beam satellite that has ever existed (or more to build two regular sized ones) and probably need to use all 48 transponders on 101 Ka lo & hi (meaning yet another new LNB for every customer) How could they ever possibly get a return on that investment? You think people will pay more to get locals in 4K?

    If 4K locals come, Directv can introduce an ATSC 3.0 LCC and let people pick them up via antenna. People who can't pick them up via antenna can go with Directv's streaming solution, go to their cable provider (who may or may not provide 4K locals) or do without.

    Personally, I'm skeptical 4K locals even happen. I think stations use ATSC 3.0 for more subchannels, and possibly some encrypted "premium" channels.
     
  9. SledgeHammer

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    Doesn't seem like 4K channels in general will happen. All the TVs in stores are 4K, but there aren't any 4K channels yet. DTV has a couple of loops and some sports and stuff, but nothing like Discovery or History, etc. Seems like its going to be streaming only.

    As for the AT&T CEO saying he is done buying sats… what's going to happen as the current fleet ages and has to be retired. They're just going to say "Ok folks... that's it... good night"?

    Pretty big assumption that everybody will be on streaming by then.

    Also a pretty big assumption that T still has DirecTV by then. DirecTV wants to be in the premium sat business. T doesn't.
     
  10. slice1900

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    After T16 launches (it is scheduled for May 9th) and the older stuff is retired later this year, Directv's satellites should be good until around 2030, possibly longer. I don't think there will be a viable customer base for satellite beyond that point.

    AT&T isn't likely to want to sell off the satellite business anytime soon, because the scale gives them better contracts, but they might eventually. Then it'll be up to whoever is running it then to decide but I doubt either Directv or Dish is still operating satellites in the 2030s.
     
  11. SledgeHammer

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    Is DirecTV Now compressed at the same rate as sat? Better or worse? What about folks that have slow or no internet? Is your Granny going to use TV over IP with her 5Mbps internet service? My sister actually has something that slow and she lives in Los Angeles.

    That being said, 2030 is a long way away. We probably won't be using TV over IP by then either. We'll be using something based on quantum entanglement :D.
     
  12. P Smith

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    back to the thread topic

    I would say if you have 2x4K TV, go with HS17
     
  13. compnurd

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    From what I have heard the compression is better
     
  14. SHS

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    Junk mostly because of the UI still blow as it is all over the map but device I have is fine how ever the recording I get ever few days seem to stall out acting like it in pause mode any where from 10 to 120 sec long which is very annoying when I got really good signal.
    Let hope the HS27 add more space and has better features like a trash can/recycle bin/restore what ever, Individual User Profile, Turn off the Channel Logo for those cry baby out there, Turn off that VOD carp you know AT$T where some of us do have data caps and that supposed work with AT&T Osprey Android power set-top box.
     
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  15. compnurd

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    Is that English
     
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    Who you refer to everyone ?
     
  17. vinhmen

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    I've had the HS17 six months now and it works fine. So much faster than the slow as molasses HR24 it replaced.
     
  18. narrod

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    I've had mine for almost a year and couldn't be happier. Six clients connected and the best hardware I've had from Directv. Don't have a 4K TV yet so can't offer an opinion on how well it works.
     
  19. inkahauts

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    There will be more 4K channels once there is plenty of 4K content, but unlike the digital transitions before, this one will be done by end of life upgrades to the studios equipment and not some arbitrary date set by Congress. I expect to see several 4K channels of major networks within 5 years or so. But can’t see but one or two before that coming on line.
     
  20. Andrew Sullivan

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    Thought I would revisit this topic after a service call from yesterday June 5. With the HS 17 I began experiencing 2 second freeze frame throughout the day several times per day. If I rewind, the problem does not repeat. It does not happen on recorded material, only live broadcast. He said that the HS17 is losing contact with the feed for some reason. He offered no resolution. He installed the C61k for 4K programming. Now I also sporadically experience sound stutter. A quick touch to the pause button rectifieds the problem for up to several hours. I am suspect about the HS17/C61K combination.
     

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