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Discussion in 'The OT' started by wilbur_the_goose, Aug 28, 2008.
I hear that Phil Collins is going to do an endorsement deal for the Genesis.
Capmeister - funny you mention the Accord Coupe manual. That is one sweeeeet car...
How does the VTEC work for you?
I'm honestly considering that car too.
LOL! Yes, a Chevy Cavalier with a leather interior. Of course historically, all Cadillacs were basically just Chevy’s with some extra trim and markup. It’s only been in the last few years that they’ve begun to at least try to make them look unique instead of just slapping a different emblem and hubcaps on.
I’m not sure about that. The “3-series” is the heart of BMW. Their first cars were small sport coupes. BMW has never been about luxury. In fact, it’s just been only in the last 30 years or so that they have concentrated on luxury.
I am sure many people do buy a car for a name. If they do nothing but use it is an appliance for carting the kids around town, then that is certainly the case. However, there are many of us out there that enjoy driving. If it were possible to drive a car blindfolded, I guarantee I could tell you what I was driving.
With a good weight balance and traction and stability control systems, it shouldn’t be too bad. But of course there is no substitute for modern AWD. Luckily, down here in The South, we don’t have much need for cars that can handle the snow, but I’ll take AWD any day over FWD or RWD (but definitely RWD over FWD).
Back to the topic of the Hyundai Genesis, it will be interesting to see if this will be successful. Remember the VW Phaeton? It was the same idea and it actually was a tremendous vehicle for the money. It truly did compete with $80K+ vehicles like the S-Class and 7-Series, but most people just could not get past the idea of spending $60K on a car related to the old “Beetle” and “Rabbit”. Of course the Genesis is less expensive by over $20K, and that helps, but still, I wonder how many people will associate it with the old Excel?
My point exactly....
The words 40K and Hyundai......or..............VW and $60K are usually not mentioned frequently in the same sentence...at least not in public.
Seems like a lot for a Hyundai, I know it offers a lot, but still....
I try to be open and not "brand loyal" all the time, but a Hyundai is a Hyundai and they have some proving to do before I drop 40K+ on one.
Also, these kind of "knock offs" are quite common in asia. There are a few asian brands that like to make cars that look like expensive cars from other prestigious brands.
That's what Hyundai will have to fight. People perceive them as cheap (not just in price) cars that are not supposed to duke it out with Camry or Accord. They're going to have to get people to be open-minded, seeing the car for what it is rather than their preconceptions.
And wasn't this the same thing with Datsun?
They came "over here" with a name that if it failed, didn't reflect badly on Nissan.
Then Honda, Nissan, and Toyota all came up with new names for their "up scale" models.
I actually liked driving the Genesis....I just didn't see paying 40K for it.
Actually, Datsun was the name Nissan had used for its passenger cars long before they ever exported them. When they first began to export to the US, they didn’t even think of using the Nissan brand name because it might not have been well received by WWI vets remembering the Nissan vehicles that carried their enemies.
Honda’s Acura brand was the first step up into the US luxury/performance market for Japanese makes. Of course this dual-brand model had been used for years by VW and Audi. The whole concept seems to work very well as Toyota can take the Camry, add about $3,000 worth of extra equipment, slap an “L” on the grill, and sell it for $10,000 more.
[OOPS] Wrong war, wrong enemy. :lol:
List for a 3.8L shows around $32K (Yahoo Auto), plus Hyundai does some aggressive discounting. I've been looking at Passats and Audi A4s for about the same price. That may be the apples to apples match. I think I will go take a closer look. Lately there are more Sonatas on the road around here than Accords!
LOL! Yeah, I'm pretty famous for my typos!
All reviews I’ve read indicate that they have designed it for the “dead quiet luxury” as opposed to “performance luxury” market. VW and Audi are definitely more “performance” oriented. The apples to apples match would be more along the lines of the Lexus ES350, or maybe the GS series, or even the Buick Lucerne.