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I need a sure-fire 1TB drive for my HR20-700!

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by ejjames, Jan 16, 2009.

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  3. DanoP

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    I haven't read anything here about the noise of the MX-1 but doing some research it appears alot of people are complaining (not in this forum but at newegg and another one I visited). Some are happy but others are not. I've actually got one arriving Monday along with a WDEADS10 so I suppose I'll find out soon enough. I've got two HR20s and this one is going to be installed in a smallish 12X15 ft. room so I hope the fan noise won't be an issue. I can't hear the internal one at all.
     
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    My MX-1 started out quiet, but got louder over time. It is now behind a closed door and I don't hear it.
     
  5. rotohead

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    Just bought this drive from buy.com for the same price. Working great so far. I'll agree the light is too bright but it is very compact, quiet and seems to stay very cool. I'm going to buy another for my desktop backup.
     
  6. t_h

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    I dont have a handy source, but I saw a writeup a few months back where someone identified that there were two 'versions' of the mx-1. Guy had bought two of them over time and one was a little noisier than the other and kept getting louder. He checked them out and the innards were a bit different and they had different revision numbers.

    That probably explains why some people (like me) have noiseless mx-1's and other people dont.

    Mine are both ridiculously quiet after a year of use. I cant hear the fan on either one until I get my head within about a foot of it. The one with the seagate db35 makes some seek noises that you can hear from 3-4' away. The one with the seagate pipeline drive can only be heard with your head on the case and then only when its seeking its brains out.
     
  7. ncfoster

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    Hmmmm, perhaps it is time to look into eSata wallplates... I might look into mounting the enclosure on the underside of my floor. :) Keep me posted about the noise that your enclosure generates.
     
  8. Rich

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    Hi John,

    I'm using several different eSATAs. I have two 1.5TB Seagate Xtremes that are working perfectly with two 20-700s.

    I have two Antec MX-1 enclosures with 1TB Seagate Barracuda drives that are working perfectly on 21-700s.

    I just lost a 2TB (full 2TB capacity) Cavalry eSATA in a RAID enclosure that was working perfectly until Monday last when it suddenly sounded as if it was grinding glass and then destroyed it's power supply. I still have one 2TB Cavalry eSATA that is still functioning properly, but I'm clearing it of all valued shows and will dump it when I get it to the point where there is nothing of value on it. Both 2TBs are/were on 20-700s. I will not be purchasing anymore Cavalrys. They just got bought out and you can't even call for help with them anymore.

    I have one Cavalry 750 that seems as if it will live forever, but the 2TB seemed that way too and died suddenly.

    The Seagate Xtremes are not very quiet. I had a bunch of 750 Seagate Free Agent Pros and they were silent.

    Summed up, the Xtremes seem to be the best bet at the moment and I understand they are on sale for half of what I paid for them. Just be aware of the noise, not something you want to put in a bedroom. The same is true of the Antec enclosures. The 2TB Cavalrys made so much fan noise that I had to drill holes in the wall of one family room and run the jumper cord thru the wall and put the two Cavs in a much larger room where the fan noise was less noticeable. Did the same thing with the Xtremes, altho they are not nearly as noisy as the Cavs.

    If you can find a 1TB Seagate Free Agent Pro, that would be my choice for a 1TB eSATA. Absolutely silent, absolutely reliable.

    The one saving grace the Cavalrys have is that most models will work with all the HRs, as far as I know. The RAID enclosured eSATAs will not work with a 21 (I tried and couldn't get them to work for long without locking the HR up). The Free Agent Pros will not work with a 21. The Antec enclosures will work with any of the HRs as far as I know.

    If anybody wants to know the absolute best method to get more storage space, shoot me a PM.

    Rich
     
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    I had so many bad experiences with Sammy hard drives on my TiVos that I wouldn't consider one if they were giving them away. I might as well say this and stir up a hornet's nest: I've never had a Sammy anything that I was truly satisfied with. Never. TVs, DVR upscalers, phones, etc. My son does have a 21-200 that he is satisfied with. I've had two of them and one quickly overheated.

    Rich
     
  10. DanoP

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    Thanks....that's useful info regarding the noise. I can't stand excessive noise and it looks like my second alternative (the Extremes) aren't necessarily better. I wonder if I run into a noisy MX-1 (I'll have it in my hands on Monday), whether it is OK to operate the WD10EADS/MX-1 combo with the fan/top off the enclosure. I don't know if that is possible.
     
  11. t_h

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    My mx-1's have the fans on the bottom under the drive, and the fan is integrated into the carrier that the drive screws into. So no way to leave the top/fan off.

    If yours has the fan in the top and its separable from the drive, then its a different model mx-1 than the ones I have.

    I've seen some large systems integrator/pc sellers failure rate charts for different disk drive models. Samsung is far and away the highest failure drive, with seagate, wd and hitachi the lowest.

    Of course, thats data looking backwards at the last 5 years. Reliability in todays products going forward 5 years may be different.
     
  12. DanoP

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    Is it possible to disconnect the fan?
     
  13. t_h

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    Yep, theres a wire with a plug on the end that powers the fan. Without any passive cooling like contact with an aluminum case (like the cavalry) the drive may get pretty warm.

    I did find a couple of different pictures of the mx-1 internals. Mine do not have the bluish-green circuit board in them and are like the second picture. You can see that the circuit board is different. Fans look a little different too.

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    I think, not sure, that you can operate the MX with the top off. Not sure if that would solve any noise problems.

    The other thing you might want to consider, and this is a big consideration, is the size and performance of the 1TB drives. As you get closer to full capacity, you will find the HR "bogging" down. Same thing happens with a 1.5 drive, but the slowdown occurs, again, as you get closer to full capacity. In other words, you'll get way past the 1TB mark with a 1.5 without slowing down the HR.

    This seems to be correctable by restarting the HR from the Reset menu. You can reach this menu by going to the System Info & Test window by holding down the "Info" button for a couple seconds. Just make sure you still have the eSATA hooked up and go to the "Reset" option, click on it and select "Restart Receiver". The HR will boot up and should refresh the HR's software, database, and whatever else is causing the slowdown. Worked for me when I was filling up a 2TB Cavalry. Does some kind of "refresh" to the HR.

    If the Xtremes are "cushioned" they are not that noisy. You don't want to put them on a solid wood floor or wood or glass shelf.

    The MX comes with pictograph instructions and you have to study them a bit before you mount a hard drive in it. Kinda threw me off a bit at first, but it is really easy. Half hour tops, but study the pictographic instructions first. I have my MX's on cushions too.

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    I don't know if I'd do that. My MX is different from the "blue" picture too. In the pictographic instructions it says to disconnect both power plugs, but you only need to disconnect the power cord for the HDD. The fan plug can stay in place in mine. I just looked at the pictures again, and I think mine are different that either of your pictures. Nice job, by the way.

    I would think that without the cooling fan, the heat would be kinda excessive, but you'd know more about that than I do.

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    Seems like the larger the hard drive in the eSATA, the more noise you get. Probably a necessary evil. You can purchase longer jumper cords and put the eSATAs in a different room, if you can't stand the noise. That's what I did. Wasn't bad when the sound system was on, but reading in that room became impossible with the constant "whoosh" of the cooling fans. Just drilled a couple of holes in the wall and put them in the adjacent room, problem solved.

    Rich
     
  17. t_h

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    Depends on the drive. The 5400rpm greenpowers might be okay. With the top off maybe you could position the mx-1 so that the exhaust fan on the HR blew air into it. That'd probably be enough.

    Hey, maybe some 3" flexible duct for a bathroom fan, taped to the output fan of the HR, cut a 3" hole in the top of the mx-1, duct tape the other end of the flexi to the top of the mx-1. Let the HR blow it out.

    And yes, I'm sort of kidding.
     
  18. R8ders2K

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    Ditto, I got the Antec enclosure and a WD10EVCS 1 TB drive. No problems.
     
  19. t_h

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    FWIW, with the internal drive (a western digital 7200rpm non AV drive), a 500 GB 7200.11 seagate, and the western digital greenpower drive I had numerous intermittent problems.

    So far with the seagate pipeline AV drive, much fewer intermittent issues. Havent really run it long enough to say for sure, but I rarely went a week without a couple of bad days.
     
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