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If FIOS comes your way, are you jumping ship?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by ciurca, Apr 29, 2009.

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  1. Reaper

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    My understanding is that they were able to get a bunch of these DVRs from Motorolla for cheap. Once they enable external storage this point will become moot anyway.
     
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    Yep, it's terrible. Their voice menu system is the most obnoxious that I've ever experienced; it takes forever to get to a real person. Once you do, typically you have to be transferred several times to get the help you need.

    Here D* has the clear advantage, but of course their offerings are much less diverse too.
     
  3. Rich

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    In industry, that is the accepted norm. The lowest bidder on a job usually does the worst job. I would think if a person chose a provider based solely on price, he'd get a poor provider.
     
  4. jpl

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    I never said you were a DirecTV fan-boy. You made an assessment that Verizon would mimic DirecTV's experience on the MRV front, and not get anything done. Their track-record proves otherwise. Yes, they are a new kid on the block, but in that short time they've advanced beyond what they initially were, and what they initially offered. They had SD MRV, now they have HD. They had SD VOD... now they have HD as well. They used to use a piece-o-crap guide s/w provided by Microsoft... they have since developed their own (which they've already enhanced significantly). They've expanded their widgets (ok, Facebook and Twitter aren't my thing, but the ability to do both from your TV is something that I can see people wanting - ditto the ability to manage your fantasy football team via your STB - all widgets that they've added)... they've added remote booking DVR functionality... they've always had picture and music streaming available (from PC to DVR), but they're adding video. They're also starting to roll out internet streaming too (YouTube, e.g.), and they're coming out with Sling-type functionality. Not exactly the track record of a company standing still.

    Now, why did they only offer a 160GB harddrive? Because they made the decision to go with Motorola products, and the biggest harddrive they offer is 160GB. They have a somewhat different architecture from traditional cable, so they needed a cable box that was IP addressable - so they relied on Motorola's QIP series of boxes. Was that the wisest choice? Dunno. But their not offering a bigger harddrive isn't some nefarious plot designed to keep people from recording stuff. Ditto the use of eSATA. The original DVRs that they used (the 6416) don't have an eSATA slot. The newer ones (the 7216) do. Again, nothing nefarious going on - just Verizon working with the hardware that's available. They are going to enable eSATA. When? I have no earthly idea. But the fact that Verizon has acknowledged working on it tells me that it's going to be soon.

    Finally - Moxi is a new DVR (uber-DVR :)) out there. The price tag is hefty - $800. But it has a true HD guide, and no service fees. That seems to be the toy of choice among FiOS subscribers these days.
     
  5. dcowboy7

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    Amazon has at $232.
     
  6. django

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    I've had some thoughts about switching, mainly due to the lack of PBS in HD in my market (Boston area). But last week a FIOS salesman came through my area trying to push the service on to as many persons as humanly possible...needless to say his high pressure tactics did nothing to impress me and have galvanized me even more to stick with what I have now...I don't need someone to tell me what's best for me!
     
  7. Grydlok

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    I have both HD DVR's so what you want to know.

    The Moto box is faster.
    That's about it.

    My HR20-700's and HR22-100 can store way more. Easier to set-up season pass. They do pass through.
     
  8. Shades228

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    Don't forget the monthly cost as well. $15 a month now isn't it?
     
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    I didn't say that anybody called me a D* shill (rather use that word than fan-boy, I hate being called "boy" in any permutation of the word). The point I was trying to make was that I am not particularly enamored with D* and would switch if switching providers made sense to me.

    Please understand this: I did not enter this thread with any intention but to learn. If arguing helps the learning process, I'll happily argue. I teach at a college occasionally and I let the students argue if it's on topic and I see that the argument is beneficial. I do NOT know enough about FIOS to argue any point other than that it is offered by Verizon, and I am pretty sick and tired of being a Verizon wireless customer. I certainly don't want to get involved with another company that is building a technology by feel. It would seem logical that if Verizon can't support cell phones properly, a more complicated technology might well be beyond their ability to support properly.

    I don't think I did that. As of now I have a hard wire version of MRV in a couple rooms in my home and that is all I need. I really don't have much interest in MRV. Perhaps when D* finally enables it I will change my mind, but right now, I have little or no interest in it.

    Here's Verizon's track record from my point of view (remember, I've never seen a FIOS setup). They did the landlines right, but they were in place when Ma Bell had to split up and Verizon was formed. Their cell phone support and sales force is terrible. That's just based on my experience. I haven't seen anybody raving about FIOS support.

    To be honest, none of that interests me. I've got five computers in my home and each one is near a TV. I can do all that on a computer and I have no desire to watch TV on a computer. I know they are not standing still, I don't think I've said that.

    OK, I didn't know that. Still seems like a poor business decision. But, at least, that explains the small hard drive.

    Did I imply that there was a "nefarious plot" to keep people from recording Hi Def? I just couldn't understand why they would put such a small hard drive in the box. Now you've explained it and now I understand.

    That doesn't answer my question. Will they mandate a particular eSATA or will the customer get to choose? I want to be able to choose.

    I forgot to Google Moxi again yesterday. $800? I have to check that out. If you have to add an eSATA to get decent recording capacity, I'd need 6 of them. $4800 for six Moxies? And then add the cost of eSATAs and you're beginning to get out of range of sensible people. Let me Google Moxi and see what that is. I'll be back.

    Rich
     
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    That's not a bad price. Dual tuners? And how much a month?

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    So you'd prefer the HRs? The Motorola DVR is faster how?

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  14. Reaper

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    Faster interface, faster channel changing, faster DVR controls (FF, REW, Etc.). Basically, faster everything.
     
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    I just checked out the Moxi. Only a 300G hard drive, so on top of the $800 you'd have to factor in the costs of eSATAs.

    Do you know how many DVRs FIOS allows on an account?

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    I'm not dissatisfied with the speed of the HRs. I guess, from the posts about the slowness of the HRs, many D* customers are. I'm just happy that they've finally stabilized the things.

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  17. jpl

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    The term 'fan-boy' has a specific connotation - there was nothing meant by that term other than the commonly accepted definition - someone who's a shill for a company. I specifically said that I never called you that.

    As for not wanting to argue - if you go back and reread some of your posts, you most definitely came across in an argumentative way (e.g. the comment which I responded to - about Verizon following DirecTV's path with MRV - that wasn't an example of just wanting to learn about FiOS).

    Next, as for not caring about all the stuff that I listed in the other post (because your computer can do the same thing) - you missed the entire point of my post. YOUR comment was that of course Verizon has MRV - they're the new kids on the block so they have all the latest technology. It's much easier for a new company to implement stuff like that than an existing company. While I agree with that second part, my post pointed out all the CHANGES that Verizon undertook, much to their base architecture, despite being the new kids on the block. In other words - much of their functionality has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that FiOS is relatively new - they have a track record of implementing changes in their architecture to support enhanced functionality. Even stuff they didn't plan on - and I'll give one small example of that last one: DLB.

    When they started putting together their own guide s/w (the IMG), customers pinged them with 'you know, it would be kinda nice to see you guys implement DLB in your DVR.' These same customers were testing out the IMG s/w (they asked some customers to assess the s/w before rolling it out). Guess what Verizon implemented in the s/w before rolling it out? DLB. Is it a small thing? Yeah, it is. Was it implemented perfectly - God, no. But they responded to user requests and put something out there very quickly.

    Finally to answer your question - Verizon currently supports up to 10 set top boxes - 7 of which are ip-addressable (e.g. DVRs). This is actually a router limitation, which is changing. Their new routers can support significantly more (I think up to 15 ip-addressable devices).
     
  18. Rich

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    Cablevision just did that to me. They wander around and hit people with dishes and try to BS them into switching to cable. Gotta give the guy credit, when I told him what my present bill was (I didn't tell him how many credits I was getting) he didn't believe it. I just happened to have the bill by the front door and showed it to him. Then he told me he didn't believe I had nine DVRs. Wanted to come in and count them. This guy was way out there. And this happened at eight o'clock in the evening. I lost my temper and he left quite quickly.

    Just another day in Paradise.

    Rich
     
  19. bobcamp1

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    Nope.
    https://www3.tivo.com/store/plans.do

    https://www3.tivo.com/abouttivo/policies/tivomultiservicediscountagreement.html

    The Tivo HD is now $199. If you can find one.

    The Verizon DVR is $20 / month, but its savings come from the fact that you only need one and there is no upfront cost and no contract. You can use regular set top boxes for the other TVs and still get DVR functionality. It's nice if you have one main TV and only need basic DVR functionality on the other TVs.
     
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    How is DLB implemented in the FIOS DVR?
     
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