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If the HR10-250 TIVO had mpeg4 HD would you prefer it to the HR20-700?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by alwayscool, Oct 5, 2007.

If the HR10-250 TIVO had mpeg4 HD would you prefer it to the HR20-700?

  1. YES - TIVO is the best.

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  2. NO - I like my HR20-700 better

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  3. Don't care

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  1. jacmyoung

    jacmyoung Hall Of Fame

    Sep 8, 2006

    For what? Of course if you ask a current D* Tivo user if his box can have the new MPEG4 HD's he would said YES! The fact almost 50% said otherwsie is a serious blow to Tivo.

    If anything if I were D* I would be happy based on the poll and the discussion, would have no problem ditching Tivo all together. The HR2x's stands stronge against Tivo.

    A fair question for the D* HD Tivo users should be, would you want to upgrade to an HR21 for free to get the new HD's, or go to cable and buy your own Tivo S3 and use cable cards for the HD's your cable offers?:)
  2. wingrider01

    wingrider01 Hall Of Fame

    Sep 9, 2005
    Dual Live buffers = who cares on a scale of 1 to 10 it ranks about a 2

    And I have a DVR that is way more reliable then the HR10 was, can couunt on one hand the number of times the HR2X has spontaneously rebooted in the last year, where as there are not enough appendages to say the same thing for teh HR10 boxes I had.

    Thank Goid and Greyhound the Tivo is gone
  3. MIMOTech

    MIMOTech Legend

    Sep 11, 2006
    Only feature I miss from the tivo is the tivo program guide. It made it a snap to look for programs on a particular channel in a short amount of time. Other then that the overall performance is better.
  4. glennb

    glennb Hall Of Fame

    Sep 21, 2006
    If anyone knows someone who could make my 20 year old TV into a plasma HDTV please PM me and let me know. I'd be willing to scarafice one of mine for the experiment.

    I bet we'll both get the same number of PMs from people reading this thread.
  5. DMG

    DMG Legend

    Feb 7, 2008
    After having the HR21 for a month and a half I have to say that the UI is better than I expected but certainly less intuitive than the TiVo was IMHO.

    However on many counts the HD TiVo was far superior as a DVR. In 3 years I did not have as many reboot problems with the TiVo that I already have had with the HR21. I've already been forced to reboot the HR21 at least 4 times because the remote stopped working or worked in slow motion or the video froze during fast forward. Reliability is at the top of my list of features for a DVR and unfortunately the HR21 isn't there yet. I'm hopeful that will change for the better, and soon.

    I hear that DirecTV is designing a new remote and I really hope that is true and that they have learned some lessons from the mistakes of the current remote. The TiVo remote was a great remote for a DVR. I've been searching for as good a replacement for the HR21 and have had moderate success. I think the design of the current remote makes clear how DTV fails to understand how a DVR is used. The PAUSE button is extremely hard to find by feel and to me, that is one of the most important buttons on a DVR remote. TiVo really understood this aspect of the UI.

    I really miss the DLB and Wishlists. And it drives me crazy that when I search I don't get just the channels I receive or the ones I've marked that I'm interested in.

    One additional point is that it is really unreasonable and unfair to compare the HR21 with the HR10-250 in terms of features. Clearly DirecTV didn't want newer TiVo features to migrate to the HR10. Many of the features that people are saying they like about the HR2x are features that have been in recent TiVo releases on the stand-alone TiVos. If DirecTV had the same agenda for providing features while working with TiVo I think the story would be much different.

    One feature that the current stand-alone TiVo software does not have is the PIP box while browsing the UI. (At least not last I saw.) Many times I like that but one time I DO NOT is during sporting events. I really wish there was a way to bring up the UI without the PIP with a key press so that I could do so when I want. With the TiVo, before I turned on my TV, I would hit the TiVo button and be sure that I would not ruin my time shifted viewing of a game already in progress.

    By the way, I LOVE the fact that it is 2 clicks to turn on and off closed captioning on the latest HR2x software!

    Lest you think I'm a basher, I just bought a second HR21 so obviously I'm not completely unhappy. But I did so for the HD content, not the quality of the DVR. No question that the MPEG-4 switch over is a good thing long term and I need an HR2x to watch it. However, DirecTV has quite a ways to go with the HR2x before I can say that I'm really happy with the HR21 as a DVR.
  6. ulbonado

    ulbonado Legend

    Nov 28, 2007
    The HR21 is basically feature-comparable with Tivo, but they need to FIX THE &*^!*% BUGS!!!

    If it weren't so flaky and slow I wouldn't miss the Tivo too badly any more.
  7. nc88keyz

    nc88keyz Legend

    Aug 12, 2007
    lets not forget directv will be getting a new "skin" or gui makeover in early 2009. We will have MVR before then , you will all be happy.

    Yes , i miss tivo too but i dont think they are going back....however I would pay 5 bucks more a month to have tivo OS formated HR20s :)

    If comcast can do it , directv can definately do it.

    All these dvrs run on linux anyways. easy enough.
  8. mjbvideo

    mjbvideo AllStar

    Jan 15, 2006
    While I love the features in my HR21-100, I would instantly give them up for the reliability of my old Tivo box. HR2x is a major piece of junk because of its high failure rate. I consider any RBR, blank recordings, choppy video, etc. a failure.
  9. drewba

    drewba Cool Member

    Sep 18, 2007
    I haven't been able to find any information on this makeover. Do you have any additional information or links that you could share?

  10. TomCat

    TomCat Broadcast Engineer

    Aug 31, 2002
    At one time the HR10 was as reliable as reliable could be (you look up "reliable" in Webster's dictionary and there was a picture of the HR10-250). But since 6.3, in my experience at least, my two HR10s are now possibly less-reliable than my HR20.

    The HR2x started out as a dog (I had one for a week when they first came out -- by accident, I was supposed to get a HR10 replacement but instead got the first HR20 Ironwood had ever seen) and it was all I could do to keep from hurling it like a discus off my balcony.

    But between then and last December (15 months later when I finally relented and got one permanently) it got remarkably better, which never could have been predicted if the history of DVR development since 1998 is any clue (good DVRs got marginially better over time, bad DVRs got marginally better over time, but nothing really improved all that much at all).

    You really have to tip your hat to how much-improved the current HR2x is over the first versions. Maybe not a Tivo-killer, but damned close. Of course it actually is technically a Tivo-killer if you look at the numbers today and where they will be in another year, but much of that has nothing to do with how great or how weak either platform might be.

    $5? That's too high a premium for a MPEG-4 DTivo. If the current or "future" HR10 could perform like the 3.1.5f HR10 used to in 2005, then maybe. About my only gripe with the HR2x is slo-mo, which is a complete embarrassment and a complete failure.
  11. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    Ah, I guess you haven't heard whats been going on with Tivo and them getting there software inside cable dvrs.. They are having huge problems and delays, and it is very unstable and causing all kinds of issues... Its worse than the HR20 ever was the day they hit the market 2 years ago... I for one am extremely thankful that Directv left tivo and went there own way. We are better off without them.
  12. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    That has been mentioned before, but I don't think its to be expected right inside of 2009... I think it will be a little while longer than that.
  13. Runch Machine

    Runch Machine AllStar

    Nov 19, 2005
    I was a big fan of Tivo but have had the HR20 for about 9 months. I find it to be 100% reliable. At this point if you have a Directv DVR that is not reliable, I'd consider it defective and have them send out a replacement.
  14. Buddy

    Buddy Cool Member

    Aug 16, 2004
    I've had the HR20 for over a year and half and I still hate it. If it weren't required for access to full HD lineup I wouldn't have ever gotten one. Had D* kept with TiVo (and kept improving it) I'd have been much happier. I'll just summarize the deficiencies of the HR20.

    1. DLB - much talked about and the fact that D* doesn't do it after much complaing is even more annoying

    2. 30 second slip - Are you kidding me? I WANT TO SKIP, not watch 30 seconds of garbage in 3 seconds.

    These first two items are enough for me to throw this thing in the garbage.

    3. 3 second delay to slow-motion play - seriously, it takes 3 seconds for slow motion to start, so I have to guess three seconds ahead of time when I want slow motion play to start. Completely brain dead implementation.

    4. eSata - yet another brain dead implementation (YABDI), it doesn't add to your capacity it completely replaces it so now I have a completely unused 300GB of storage space, maybe I can rent it out to some third world TV viewer.

    5. Networking - YABDI, why is networking such a taboo with D*? Several years ago I had two ReplayTVs that would allow me to watch shows one one DVR that were stored on the other. This is such a no brainer feature it's ridiculous. These DVRs are just PCs (running Linux) and there is no reason not to have full networking capability.

    6. Gargantuan timer bar the never goes away - Are you people blind or something? This thing takes up 25% of the screen for what? And it stays on forever.

    7. The remote is a disaster

    8. Search stinks

    9. FF1 is like 1.00001 times regular speed and then it jumps back like I'm not able to react to such blazing speed.

    10. FF2-FF4 jump back way too far and the difference between FF3 and FF4 is too large FF3 needs to be faster as it's not much different than FF2. I know this was a feature that was added as a response to many requests (while DLB is being ignored) but they botched the implementation.

    I'm too tired to go on but lets just say that if there was s FULLY functional TiVo S3 with a D* receiver I'd throw the HR20 in the garbage tomorrow. Since I no longer subscribe to NFL Sunday Ticket, I'm considering switching to another service (possibly Verizon FiOS since I have their internet access already) since NFLST was the only reason I have stayed with D*.
  15. Drew2k

    Drew2k New Member

    Aug 16, 2006
    You'll be please to learn that you can skip on the HR20 just like the TiVo. Go to Search > Keyword. Enter 30SKIP, Continue. Wait for response that no matches found. Now when you press ADVANCE you will SKIP instead of SLIP. (To restore SLIP functionality, enter 30SLIP as a keyword search.)

    In the current national release, networking is fully supported to enable users to order PPV and to submit diagnostics reports to DIRECTV. DIRECTV is also actively testing many features regarding networking (see the Cutting Edge forum for more information), and although I won't mention the features, many will be pleased.
    Can you elaborate? I use search often, and with the introduction of filters, find the search even more powerful than TiVo. I can add filters to restrict keyword searches to a specific channel or to a specific channel range (CCHANEL), search only titles (TTITLE), or only people (NNAME). I can specify to find AALL or AANY of the search terms, and even to ignore results using a NNOT filter. The only problems I have with search are the limit of only 25 recent searches saved, and that search isn't restricted to only the channels you get, but all channels are searched.
  16. wingrider01

    wingrider01 Hall Of Fame

    Sep 9, 2005
    Would be interested in elaboration on these two also

    Timer disappears here about 2 seconds after it is displayed, not sure what the poster is speaking of

    Never had a problem with the supplied remote, neither does my 7 year old, can you elaborate on that statement also? Lot easier to use and handle then the old peanut remote was.
  17. BattleScott

    BattleScott Hall Of Fame

    Aug 28, 2006
    Press play a second time to make it go away.
  18. bonscott87

    bonscott87 Cutting Edge: ECHELON '07

    Jan 21, 2003
    Skip has been around for many months, access as described.

    Advanced search boolean terms have been around about a year, see here for details: http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=1042604&postcount=29

    Same here. Can always press play again to make it disappear immediately (just like on Tivo) if that's not quick enough.
  19. bonscott87

    bonscott87 Cutting Edge: ECHELON '07

    Jan 21, 2003
    Yep, doesn't have DLB. There is a very large thread talking about it if you wish to chime in.

    As mentioned, a true 30 sec SKIP has been available for quite some time.

    Why? Simply buy an eSata drive, plug it in and you're done. About as simple as you can get, especially for an unsupported feature. Maybe someday when it's supported then maybe they will have additive options. Guess you can always go with Dish and actually pay them 40 bucks to allow you to even use an external drive. Personally I'll take free and just plug it in. But maybe that's just me.

    Not sure what you're talking about here. Networking has been available on the D* DVRs for a very long time. Maybe not the exact features you want, but it's been there and used heavily. Heck, the entire VOD is based on networking the DVR.

    As mentioned, it'll disappear in just a couple seconds, just like Tivo. If you want it to go away sooner then hit play again, just like Tivo.

    Personal opinion I guess. Remote it ok. But first thing I do with any remote is program it to my Universal and toss it in the remote graveyard.

    How? What can't you find? Noted above many of the various advanced searching features.

    Ummm, ok. Reacts nearly identical to any DirecTivo I've owned.

    Rock on. Go where you'll be happy.
  20. Grentz

    Grentz New Member

    Jan 10, 2007
    I was a huge fan of the DirecTivos and loved my DSR708.

    Frankly I like my HR21 better though, many features and updates that the Tivo lacked. One of my favorites is how it asks you which program to stop recording if there is a conflict or if you change the channel with 2 recording...Tivo always just randomly picked one if you told it to change the channel and said stop recording.
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