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Illleagal Workers Fired For Attending Immigration Rally (merged)

Discussion in 'The OT' started by missileman, Apr 12, 2006.

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  1. Jack White

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    Yes, Illegal immigration is wrong, and Illegal immigrants don't have the right to work here, be granted legal status, etc. That being said, let's face it if the Illegal Immigrants were blond haired blue eyed people from Europe, then most of the same people who are screaming bloody murder wouldn't be saying a word, and would be welcoming them to the US.
    After all, Christopher Columbus, Amerigo Vespuchi(SP?) etc were ILLEGAL immigrants as well as GENOCIDALISTS by some Native American's accounts.

    This is a CRAZY world, it's SO crazy that sometimes people tell NATIVE AMERICANS to go back to where they came from, like Anti-War Native American protesters for example have been told this.

    Also, what the illegal Immigrants are doing is EXACTLY the same thing as what Jews did in Palestine. They went back to where their ancestors were from.
    Many Mexican's ancestors are from Texas, California, Nevada, etc.

    So what makes them any different than the European Jews who settled in British Palestine?

    People LOVE it when Illegal Immigration happens to the Palestinians or the Native Americans, but when it happens to White Christian Heterosexual Americans, then it's SOOOOOOOOO WRONG.
     
  2. Richard King

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    I'm feeling terribly guilty now. I think I may just cut myself into six pieces and ship my parts back to where they came from (except the one of six parts, the smallest part, that can stay here).
     
  3. ntexasdude

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    The obvious solution is to just kill them all. Can't prove a right to be here? Then you must die. We could convert the New Orleans Super dome into a gigantic gas chamber. If we could gas 15,000 a day it would take just over just over 2 years to rid the country of this scourge and send a message to the rest of the world.
     
  4. dlhuse

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    Hate to disagree with you, but my great-grandparents came here legally.

    They boarded a ship, with their immigration papers in hand, worked at a job, learned English and when required to do so, paid taxes.

    They took the required citizenship classes, passed the necessary test and were sworn in as naturalized citizens. All by the book, as it was in 1880. They were so happy to be here and given a new start they forbid their children from speaking their native language (German) in the home.

    When current day undocumented persons can say the same thing, they will get my sympathy.
     
  5. RichW

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    Again, if there were not businesses willing to hire illegals, the problems would subside. Put the CEO in jail. Put the rich Orange County trophy wife in jail. Put the owners of car washes, roofing companies, and restaurants in jail... and much fewer will enter the country illegally.
     
  6. jonstad

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    I think the point was that unless you're of native-American heritage, starting with Columbus, we're all "illegal aliens" in a sense. Columbus didn't arrive by invitation nor did he ask permission. He didn't bother to learn the local lingo. And he certainly availed himself of the resources and benefits of the land he just "discovered". He crossed the border(the Atlantic) from Spain with the go-ahead from Spain, not from the territory he entered. And in fact he profited from this "unauthorized entry" and sent much of that profit back to Spain. He was to be followed by millions more and the governments and institutions they established were created with very little input from the original peoples inhabiting the various regions.

    This is of course rather a silly argument. But I suspect more than a few indiginous Americans would support the "deportation" of all arrivals after 1492. But it's far too late for that, isn't it?:scratch:

    And it's probably too late to send back the 11-12 million here illegally now. They came here under much the same logic as Columbus and those whom followed him, to better themselves and their progeny and to profit. And just like some of the indiginous inhabitants who met Columbus, at least some of us welcomed the arrival of these "illegals", availed ourselves of the services and benefits they offered, and profited themselves also.

    The beef here should be at least as much with those who hire the illegals and make it profitable for them to come here, not just with the illegals themselves. Certainly they have "broken the law". But they certainly would have been less tempted without the lure offered by the rest of us living here who now consider ourselves the "indiginous peoples".
     
  7. Geronimo

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    The best way to say it is that Britain, France, Sweden, Spain, the Netherlands, and Russia all invaded the Americas and established colonies in what is now the United States of America. The USA itself was the result of a secessionist movement on the part of some colonists. They later bought or conquered other land.


    So most of us---including me have ancestors that came over without the consent of the indigenous people. But you are all here now. There is no serious movement to kick you out. And even if you accept that many of your ancestors were illegal most of the people here now were born here and it does not mater much if your ancestors came over on the Mayflower, a slave ship, or were part of the Russian fleet that invaded what is now called Alaska.
     
  8. Richard King

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    Agree. Attack the problem (seriously) from the demand side and the supply side will take care of it self.
     
  9. Stewart Vernon

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    1. It wasn't called America then, so they couldn't be native-Americans!

    2. The folks ("American" Indians, native-"Americans" or whatever you want to call them) themselves were not native to this continent. In fact, most historical data seems to support the notion that there were no humans native to this continent, but ancestors migrated here many years in the past.

    So depending on how you want to apply things, there is really no such thing as a "native-American" prior to the establishment of the United States of America as a country and then being born in this country after that point... which qualifies a lot of different races to make the claim of being a native-American.
     
  10. n8dagr8

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    1. the whole "your not a native American either" argument is about the dumbest thing I've seen. It's like sitting there watching someone bleed to death after being stabbed while arguing over whether or not the person who stabbed him should have been able to buy a knife. We should stop the problem now. I would guess that a majority of the people who were not born here came in legally.

    2. I totally agree that if the companies were held responsible then we wouldn't have such a problem. Maybe we need some sort of work program where companies could ship in workers for seasonal stuff (harvest time). It's a fine line to keep prices down and pay workers fair wages.
     
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