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I'm tired of DIRECTV's Creative Ways of Digging into my pocket

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Spike, Aug 11, 2013.

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  1. Rich

    Rich DBSTalk Club DBSTalk Club

    Feb 22, 2007
    Piscataway, NJ
    I tried to go that way a year or so ago. I watch mostly NetFlix content and thought I'd sell all my HRs and just use streaming for viewing and figure out the easiest way to get the Yankees' games. My wife and son protested and I'm still here.

  2. JeffBowser

    JeffBowser blah blah blah

    Dec 21, 2006
    I sell software for a living, my son and I have an understanding - we take nothing off the internet illegally, and license all software. Torrents are blocked at my firewall/proxy, period.

    I realize other providers may or may not be cheaper. I'm talking about paying nothing, or next to nothing for just a very little bit. I don't like what's on TV much these days at all. The costs, and my son not caring either, are going to be the death knell for the little I do watch, as it is just not worth it. This is a bigger argument against the garbage spewing from content creators more than a smaller argument against DirecTV corporate.
  3. Spike

    Spike Legend

    Jul 4, 2007
    Rich, Hmmmm? I'm wondering if the secret is finding out which streaming services provide the programs that everyone in the family watches. The big question then becomes what is the release date that would allow for streaming services for the programs that are airing today?
  4. Rich

    Rich DBSTalk Club DBSTalk Club

    Feb 22, 2007
    Piscataway, NJ
    It wouldn't matter that much to me. NF and the other services have all the content you could want except for the sports packs. My family wants no part of my grand idea.

  5. Diana C

    Diana C Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

    Mar 30, 2007
    New Jersey
    The achilles heel of all streaming services is bandwidth caps. Too many ISPs either charge outrageous "overage" fees or severely throttle performance after you cross a (frequently undisclosed) download limit. Watch a few hours of streaming video every day and it's not hard to hit the limit.

    Of course, there are MANY households that would love to have this problem - they don't even have enough "unrestricted" bandwidth to stream anything. Reports of the impending death of linear TV are exaggerated.

    Streaming is also no substitute for ESPN, your local RSNs, vertical sports channels, et.al. These channels will continue to command big fees until people stop watching them (which is why they want to be in the basic tier - if they are there, they get watched...a lot) and their ratings fall.
  6. Spike

    Spike Legend

    Jul 4, 2007
    When Directv charged $300 a year for the NFL Sunday Ticket for 17 weeks of football, they cured me of my sports addiction. I'll watch Sports and I love Sports, but I refuse to let Sports rule my wallet any longer.
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  7. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    Pick any 100 random series crossing multiple genres and ask for a selection of over 1000 movies.

    If you take price out of the equation.

    There is no service that can compare to dtv or dish or cable or FIOS or uverse. Linear tv is far better and has more options and its unified interface is just easier than any possible options for streaming tv. It even integrates your locals for the majority if what people watch.

    Add in price

    Today streaming options are very segmented and if you get enough and are ok with multiple interfaces and using over the air then its semi viable. But if watch a lot
    If sports it isn't.

    Add in time.

    Anyone thinking in the long run streaming will be cheaper when it can offer the full slate of options including sports under one platform are dreaming I think. By the time it's as easy as linear tv it will cost as much as linear tv does.

    But today if you don't care about sports other than what's offered over the air and you don't mind dealing with searching multiple platforms you can run with it today.

    Most people aren't ok with that today.
  8. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

    Jun 18, 2006
    I've posted this before...

    you have choices, you have options.

    If you think that DIRECTV's average price of $3 a day is too high, you can get an antenna and get dozens of channels for free. Add a hulu plus subscription for $0.30 a day and you probably won't miss the DVR, unless you have to go to the bathroom during a live show.

    I do think DIRECTV is a value-priced alternative, you get a month of content on over 200 channels for what it costs to take a family of 4 to a movie with McDonald's later. That's not bad.

    As for pointing fingers, though, you won't get me to say that DIRECTV or any other pay-TV provider is at fault. I've been fortunate enough to be a little closer to the inside than most people, and let me tell you, it's the content providers. Disney/ABC/ESPN especially. When you talk about these guys asking for 400%, 500%, 600% increases over their previous contracts, that money has to come from somewhere.

    Add to that sports. I've said it before, I'm as big a fan as anyone. But just the regular sports networks (in my case all the ESPNs, MLB, NBA, NFL, FSW, FSPT, CSNSW and TWCSN) are costing DIRECTV close to $30 a month to bring to me. COSTING, not charging. That's the pure contract cost, that doesn't include distribution, encoding, getting those birds up in the air, etc.

    When you look at some of the deals that are being proposed, you have to wonder why DIRECTV doesn't charge $200 a month. Obviously they have some other deals that balance things out, but honestly they manage to provide a lot of content for the price DESPITE these contract issues.
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  9. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

    Feb 27, 2006
    Our cable company allows Unlimited from 1 AM to 5 PM, and 250GB Max during 5 PM and 1 Am.
    I've never even been close to this during peak hours. My total monthly usage on average is about 100 GB, 160 was my max ever!
    We have 2 rokus,2 tablets, Directv CCK, 2 computers, Smart TV , PS3 ,Wii, LG Blu ray with streaming, myself a wife and 2 kids. :righton:

    So as far as usage unless you have Satellite or 4G LTE with their High price and crazy low Data allowance . I would guess most Cable, Fiber and DSL providers are unlimited or very high limits.
  10. dpeters11

    dpeters11 Hall Of Fame

    May 30, 2007
    Frontier set their "acceptable use" for DSL at 5gb a month, but eventually dropped it after bad publicity.

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  11. inf0z

    inf0z Legend

    Oct 15, 2011
    Your usage sounds pretty light. I'm consistently running any where from 800 GB to 1 TB a month, and I live alone. Is that 100 - 160 GB including or not including your non peak hours?

    The average file size for a TV show in 1080i is 2 GB, and 12 GB for a Movie in 1080i. When you factor in other data usage such as youtube, streaming music, internet browsing, and gaming....that 250 GB is way too small to support using ITV as your only platform.
  12. acostapimps

    acostapimps Hall Of Famer

    Nov 5, 2011
    They are plenty of documentary shows on YouTube if you're into that, and everything you see on AMC you can see on Netflix anyway, But sports is what make people stay, And that is what's driving up cost, So there will be a point to if the prices keep rising then you would see a few cord cutters, And if people are held hostage so to speak with these negotiations about content, Then they will be fed up and either switch providers or cord cut completely, But that will be a hassle to the rest of us so we suck it up and either cut back or ask for credit, Don't you just love America.
  13. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

    Feb 27, 2006
    Stop downloading high def porn! And as I said its unlimited 17 hours of the day.

    And my 160 GB is total monthly.

    Our usage is not that light for personal use.
    You just happen you be the one on the excessive side.


    Average home usage predicted for 2016 is only 84 GB
    Also average HD movie only uses 2 and 5 GB. Not 12 , not sure where you pulled that insane number from.

    Netflix Movies (HD): These guys are around 3.8Mbit, which means it's about 3600MB for a 2 hour HD movie.
    Netflix Movies (SD): Each of these movies are around 500-700MB each, depending on the length of the movie.
    Netflix TV Shows (HD): A 30-minute TV show will be about 1500MB.
    Netflix TV Shows (SD): A 30-minute TV show will be about 400MB.

    If you do the math, that means you can stream about 3 seasons of Entourage and 40 movies in HD. However, that's not to account for standard Internet usage, so with YouTube, Facebook, and all of the other things you and your household may use, that's looking to drop the number down to about 20 HD movies, which is still a substantial amount for most people.
  14. peds48

    peds48 Genius.

    Jan 10, 2008
    If you torrent a movie that was ripped from a BR disk, it can easily be >10GB
  15. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

    Feb 27, 2006
    Yea and me and just about everyone else on earth don't do that! :smoking:
  16. Mike Bertelson

    Mike Bertelson 6EQUJ5 WOW! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 24, 2007
    This is not a forum for discussion on torrents. Lets not go down that road. Discussion of torrents stops here.


  17. CCarncross

    CCarncross Hall Of Fame

    Jul 19, 2005
    Actually your usage is extremely heavy...I stream, game, etc..all the time..and I dont even touch 250GB a month....those file sizes you mentioned are not for the streaming content...those are for downloads.
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  18. SledgeHammer

    SledgeHammer Icon

    Dec 28, 2007
    You are right. We do have options.

    * As such, I am not interested in paying $6 - $8 for a PPV movie I have to watch in one day and then have it automatically expire. Back in the day when PPV movies were $3, that was a reasonable price. However, TODAY?? even $3 for a PPV is ridiculous when you can get a netflix subcription for $8/mo for unlimited movies. Or, if you are not morally opposed, you can get it all for free on the internet. I no longer buy PPV movies because of the absurd cost and 24 hr limitation.

    * As such, I am not interested in paying $55 - $70+ for a PPV event. I did *occasionally* purchase PPV events when they were $15 to $35. As the price skyrocketed to $55+, I tapped out. The last PPV event I purchased was $39.99 and I considered that extravegant.

    I'm not "cheap" mind you... I definitely overspend in other areas, but when I can get the same exact thing cheaper and/or for free, I'll go that route.
  19. longrider

    longrider Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    Apr 21, 2007
    Elizabeth, CO
    You realize both of your examples are out of DirecTVs control, don't you? The 24 hr limit was imposed by the studios, not DirecTV Special event PPV prices are set by the programmer with only a small margin for DirecTV. I agree fights have gotten ridiculous, AFAIK they are the only thing hitting $50 - $60
  20. wingrider01

    wingrider01 Hall Of Fame

    Sep 9, 2005
    cable company here limits

    30/2 = 250 GB a month, exceed 4 months in a row and service is terminated
    100/5 = 600GB a month, same termination policy
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