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Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by Conway, Feb 1, 2010.

  1. peano

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    Rumor has it that with the new L625 firmware for the 622/722 that TV2 output can be enabled/disabled by a tier on the smart card. You know what that means!
     
  2. JackDobiash

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    Interesting... if true perhaps they'll allow us to disable TV2 and save the $5 a month. I don't use TV2 on either of my receivers (I do use the Distribution coax on one but only to repeat TV1 to a side room).
     
  3. peano

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    I hope you are right. The other side of the coin is they will add a new fee if you want TV2 active.
     
  4. GrumpyBear

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    With the way the TV2 is really embedded in the new fee's, it would be more logical for a discount for no TV2 output to compensate for the no Phoneline/Network connections discount.
    Duo's are Marketed as Driving 2 TV's by default.(Granted in 4 yrs I have never understood the advantage of it, prefer PiP and HD Recievers for HD TV's, each to his own though) It would be really hard to change a Multi-Million dollar Marketing plan, that has been out for yrs.
    I hope the rumor is correct, and better yet a discount like the old phone connection, this will mean my net change vs last years bill would make my bill actually $3 less vs $2 more. Sure glad I waited, to see the net difference, with all the DOOM predictions I 1st thought the net change in my bill was going to be HUGE, $2 more a month I can handle.
     
  5. TulsaOK

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    Source?
     
  6. Ken_F

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    Firmware doesn't make the ViP622/ViP722/ViP722K/ViP922 any cheaper. All of these DVRs cost Echostar significantly more than the ViP612 to manufacture.

    I will be very surprised if Dish disables TV2 in exchange for some discount.
     
  7. GrumpyBear

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    Oh I agree, It was a wish thing, and Like I posted before, I DO NOT see it happening. It would just be nice, for those that HAVE no intentions of EVER USING, the TV2 output. Dish charges for, rather its upfront, or embedded in the new pricing, for that 2nd TV connection so you don't have to have a 2nd reciever. The issue has nothing to do with the cost of the unit, it has to do with being charged for a fee we have NO INTENTIONS of EVER using.

    Those of us that Use the ViP 622/722 in Single mode, and have more than one on the account, give Dish much more money, both Monthly and upfront when we buy them, than a user using a ViP622/722 to drive 2 TV's.
     
  8. phrelin

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    If one doesn't care about PIP there's always the 612.:grin:
     
  9. GrumpyBear

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    MOST disappointing thing about the 612 is the Lack of PiP during football season.
     
  10. JackDobiash

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    The PIP is probably one of the best things I like about my 622/722.

    So in all it looks like my bill will go up $13 but I will potentially be getting some sort of credit for the next 6 months so I'll have to wait and see how it works out when my next bill gets generated. Still disappointing on how this new structure hits the people with more equipment. I guess it was a double-wammie for me having AEP.
     
  11. TulsaOK

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    Amen to that. When I ordered my 612 I was told that PiP was a feature and the only difference between the 612 and a 622 was no TV2 output. :mad:
    I didn't do my due diligence so shame on me. The 612 is a bedroom unit so the PiP's no big deal but I sure miss it vs. our 722.
     
  12. GrumpyBear

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    Exact samething here. Thought from the reading when it 1st came out, no TV2 output was the only difference. Shame on Me.:mad: I only use it a few months, of the yr, it has a few other quirks, but its useable. To do over though, I would have bought a 622 instead though. I am waiting to see if the 222 will support an external drive soon, if it does, I will drop kick the 612 and get a 222 instead.
     
  13. BillJ

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    Reading all these comments got me wondering why they would charge for TV2 when it's only an SD feed. Now if they had a receiver with duo HD feeds maybe there would be some logic to charging extra. They really need such a receiver but the pricing seems to have gotten ahead of the technology.
     
  14. Jim5506

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    There is no PIP on th 612 because there is no TV2.

    You have to have 2 outputs to have PIP.
     
  15. TulsaOK

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    Why does it need two outputs for PiP? It has multiple tuners that should accommodate PiP.
     
  16. SayWhat?

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    No, you have to have two INputs to have PIP.
     
  17. TulsaOK

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    How are you defining INputs? My 612 has three inputs.
     
  18. fryguy503

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    The 612 Has Dual Tuner which is considered two (IN)puts.
     
  19. SayWhat?

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    You were posting the same time I was. Inputs or dual built-in tuners. TVs can have PIP without dual tuners if you feed in from another source. But we're talking Dish equipment, so.......

    Either way, a second OUTput is not required.
     
  20. BattleZone

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    The 612 (and DirecTV's DVRs) only have a single video output processor, so only one satellite stream can be processed at a time (on-screen graphics are generated by the receiver in an overlay, and are a separate issue).

    The reason Dish's "Duo" receivers can do PiP internally is because they have a second video output processor chip. This is obviously required in order to have a working TV2 output, but that chip can be repurposed to make PiP work when it isn't running the TV2. That's why PiP only works in Single Mode.

    Adding the second video processor makes the receiver more expensive, which is why all DVRs don't have one.

    IMO, the chances of Dish disabling TV2 via software and charging less for it are ZERO. It makes zero sense from their point of view; why would they even make a 612 if they were going to do this?
     

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