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International Cricket 2011-12

Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by satexplorer, Mar 26, 2011.

  1. satroy

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    I just unsubscribe Neo Cricket. Neo Cricket is now on Dish Network and also is carried on many cables (Comcast, Time Warner). I guess almost all will unsubscribe because no LIVE cricket on this channel, right?
    So do you know what will happen to this channel?
     
  2. saisport

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    Hopefully ten cricket will get it otherwise I am in fear may be espn3.com
     
  3. rwmair

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    I think the biggest problem here is the inability/non-desire of DirecTV and DISH to carry this in HD. Willow claims to have the Star Cricket feed available "in HD" online/via YouTube - so presumably they could make it available to DirecTV/DISH too (Mind you, I'm not sure what "in HD online" means unless your computer can display at 1920x1080 and you can send that to your TV without screwing it up, and your bandwidth is near-unlimited in your house so the video stream never freezes.)

    The change to HD has strained bandwidth for DirecTV and DISH like never before - despite putting up new satellites, giving everyone new, bigger dishes and receivers, switching to MPEG4 compression, etc. There are many HD channels they don't carry that they would if the could - and would likely draw a much larger audience than WillowTV.

    This is one reason I despaired at the change from PPV/DirecTV-Cricket-ticket style of delivery to multiple 24/7 cricket channels from India or Willow. It is much more likely that DirecTV/DISH could find the bandwidth for HD telecasts (requires space on a core satellite - at least for DirecTV) for 6-8 hours a day (often middle of the night), a few days a week for 6-8 weeks at a time, than to find space for a 24/7 channel.

    This was managed for the World Cup, for example, and DirecTV could find space to put most Cricket-Ticket matches (in SD) on their core satellites so it could be seen without the intl dish. Maybe we'll be lucky and get the IPL or T20WC this way in the near future, but until the day SD transmission is discontinued, I think the chances of a full-time Willow/TEN/Neo channel in HD in the US is very slim. Unless you can get a million or so friends to subscribe!
     
  4. bharath_das

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    Absolutely true...
     
  5. rwmair

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    Can someone who has watched Star Cricket in India fill me in on my curiosity here.

    When Star Cricket shows coverage of matches not involving India and coming from another source (eg Sky Sports in UK or Ch9 in Australia), why is the transmitted telecast (as we see here via Willow) so poor compared to what I presume is the transmitted telecast of matches involving India that is produced by Star Cricket themselves?

    For example - the recent Aus v NZ tests, and Eng v Sri Lanka earlier this year - the screen was often shrunk to 3/4 size to put commercial crawls along the side and bottom; there is the dreaded white box with 6 red numbers in it - usually once per over if not more; and other advertizing graphics would flash up in the top left. Fortunately, none of this happens on the coverage of India games that Star produces themselves (Eng v India earlier this year, and now Aus v India).

    But worst of all (for me) is the way Star cuts off the source broadcaster feed - often in mid sentence - as the players start to walk from the field at the end of a session. Does Star have to get every second of non-stop advertizing possible in during lunch/tea/after-stumps periods, or do they have other live events they need to show at that time? I realize the lunch/tea filler from Sky or Ch9 is often littered with self-promotional references - perhaps that's why Star excises it, even tho I think most viewers these days are savvy enough to understand where the coverage is coming from and realize such reference may not apply to their own TV! But its far preferable to watching some old replay of something that is irrelevant to the session of cricket we've just watched. Star's own coverage during lunch breaks etc of matches involving India is adequate (not as enjoyable for me as Ch9, but I'll live with it) and shows they recognize the value of this sort of thing in certain matches they show.....

    Just mild grumbles - but maybe there's an explanation for it all.
     
  6. saisport

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    Alright here is your answer according to my knowledge feel free to comment if I am wrong
    First of all for non India matches about that box they are using feed from the receiver from India Bangalore so after couple of mins receiver keeps checking for validation that's why u see the box
    About India matches they using direct feed from star cricket that's why it does not have box on it
    As I said this is upto my knowledge so feel free to comment
     
  7. satexplorer

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    The ESPN Star Sports signal has been there since Willow streamed cricket games. Only evidence is Bangladesh Cricket on Willow with ESPN Star Sports feed before 2007. The picture format is 4:3 is 576i and 16:9 is 1080i.

    ESPN Star Sports had rights to India cricket in 1995-1999. After they lost those rights, in 1999 they acquired South Africa, Zimbabwe, New Zealand and Bangladesh cricket. In 2007, they now have Australia and England cricket. If India tours these places there will be alternate commentary. Primary feed for the ICC Events. All of the World feeds are mostly with the ICC Events. ESPN Star Sports success often comes from the ads they show in the subcontinent. They run ads as bulletins over there.

    White dread with any color of numbers is a security code to prevent "signal thieves" and "cable mafias" to get the channel. Streaming on the internet they show you your IP address.

    Nobody in the Subcontinent looks to be interested to the Interval shows of both Sky or Nine network presents. I don't think that is included with the rights ESPN Star Sports acquires.

    After the World Cup this year. Willow Cricket has their own ads, those national ads are not from the ESPN Star Sports signal.
     
  8. Jan 2, 2012 #228 of 350
    rwmair

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    Thanks to both of you for these answers.

    But Willow seems to get raw feed from South Africa and New Zealand without having to rely on what Star Sports is broadcasting in India. Maybe I haven't paid enough attention (esp to coverage from NZ) but what I've seen from South Africa via Willow in recent times looked like direct feed from SABC or SuperSport down there. If Willow can get direct feed from there, why not Eng or Aus?

    So, if I was watching Aus v India on Star Cricket in India, I'd see those numbers even tho the coverage is being produced by Star Cricket? As we see those numbers for matches from Aus or Eng, does this mean Willow is just streaming from someone's receiver in Bangalore? That would explain why the picture quality is worse for those matches from Aus or Eng not involving India.

    I can't understand why, if they can direct feed from Star for coverage involving India that is produced by Star Cricket, they can't at least get direct feed from Star of other matches before it is broadcast in India!! (Of course, direct feed from source would be even better)

    OK - I had assumed many of the ads were still coming from Star Cricket, even for the Aus-India test. I thought I saw glimpses of some in Hindi that I'd also seen during the Aus-NZ tests, but maybe I'm confused - or maybe they're all from Willow. I did notice a few times on the last day that there were wide shots of the ground during breaks between overs, etc, that made me wonder if Willow had obtained a direct feed from Star Cricket. Hopefully there will be more of those breaks in the second test starting tonight - although I guess Willow sees tests involving India as their cash cow for advertizing.
     
  9. Jan 2, 2012 #229 of 350
    satroy

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    Do anyone know how come Neo Cricket channel still exists on Dish Network in USA? Not everyone unsubscribed? How about you guys?
     
  10. Jan 2, 2012 #230 of 350
    saisport

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    Why in the world willow is trying to show complete streaming from Aussie feed while they can't even get it straight pics means it's sticking or it just me completely disaster,,,,,
     
  11. Jan 2, 2012 #231 of 350
    saisport

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    When willow cricket going to realize that cricket is our religion.
     
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    satroy

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    Guys, picture is stopping.
    Is it only my problem?
     
  13. Jan 2, 2012 #233 of 350
    satroy

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    Complete disaster, cannot watch
     
  14. Jan 2, 2012 #234 of 350
    saisport

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    Same here man disaster hopefully problem solved before it gets worse
     
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    saisport

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    Now back to star seems like they can't make up their mind
     
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    satroy

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    Now it is ok, although picture quality is not superb
     
  17. Jan 2, 2012 #237 of 350
    satexplorer

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    Willow Cricket switching pictures? Are they confused with SECAM? Pink in some areas due to McGrath Foundation Week (Sydney Pink Test).
     
  18. Jan 2, 2012 #238 of 350
    satroy

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    Again, picture is stopping
     
  19. Jan 2, 2012 #239 of 350
    saisport

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    Again they are trying Aussie feed
     
  20. Jan 2, 2012 #240 of 350
    satexplorer

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    Willow switching back and forth with Nine Network and Star Cricket. Now they figure either Alternate Commentary or that the Subcontinent has no World feed.
     

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