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International Cricket 2012-13

Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by satexplorer, Jun 26, 2011.

  1. satroy

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    I don't think willow can broadcast. They do not have right for Indian cricket. I think right for USA is still open. Also it could be possible that Indian cricket will be black out in USA.
    Actually I don't care or not interested to watch cricket played in India. In my opinion those are not cricket. I am more interested to watch cricket played in Australia and South Africa.
    This thread do not list who will show cricket from Australia and RSA. I hope willow will get the right and will show. I am keeping my finger crossed.
     
  2. satroy

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    Last year willow has shown Clydesdale Bank 40 from England and T20 provident as well. But this year they are not showing.
     
  3. rwmair

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    By memory, all the English country cricket that Willow showed last year was via Star Cricket rebroadcasts in India (ie, from someone's cable box in Mumbai or elsewhere). I wonder if Willow were forced to, or decided, to discontinue this method of bringing feeds into the US.

    This would explain their use of the wonderful raw feed from Sky Sports for the international matches in England this summer, and the lack of country cricket in any form. Hopefully, if they continue showing matches from Australia at the end of the year, they might use a raw feed from Channel 9 too?? That would be a nice Christmas present! :)
     
  4. satroy

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    I got the following response from willow
    Dear Willow TV Customer,

    There is an incredibly exciting lineup of cricket events scheduled to be covered exclusively on Willow in 2012.

    India host New Zealand and England,
    England host South Africa,
    Australia hosts South Africa and Sri Lanka,
    South Africa hosts New Zealand and Pakistan,
    The KFC Big Bash Twenty20 and much much more.
     
  5. satroy

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    In that case how come Neo cricket is still in business in USA. They are not going to show any Live matches.
     
  6. saisport

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    Check my reply back and I said that Willow more likely will telecast India nz as the raw feed from England is also part of what star cricket uses for their HD channel.
     
  7. satroy

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    I have a feeling that they will get these from star india feed. So the picture quality will not be great.
     
  8. satexplorer

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    Don't give them your love for watching cricket. Willow lost all ICC tournaments, Willow thinks they're in the game by broadcasting a bunch of tour cricket games on TV. Willow save your money, stop entertaining your empty offices!

    First of, why Willow is not merging with Star Cricket? I'm sure there is No black box in Mumbai. But limited staff in their Bangalore office. Just hand over your South Africa Cricket rights to TEN Cricket. Set up a alternate cricket channel and replace useless NEO Cricket and air IPL and New Zealand cricket.

    Timing of the ads on Willow. No professionalism whatsoever.
     
  9. satroy

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    I could not follow what you are saying. But I like or love Willow Cricket because of them I can watch some good cricket while in USA. Note that Cricket is not a popular sports in USA, still we can watch some cricket here due to Willow.
     
  10. satroy

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    Still I could not understand how Neo cricket is managing to keep its channel in USA. This channel is both on Satellite and cable. Who subscribe Neo cricket?
     
  11. satroy

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    When I watch espn3 on xbox, I see ticker at the bottom of the screen called xbox live ticker. Do anyone know how to get rod of this ticker?
     
  12. satexplorer

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    You can't follow what I'm saying? Your just another Happy Willow Customer. :lol:
     
  13. Rocket22

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    With all due respect, there's a difference between the size of fanbase for Aussie Rules football and cricket in America. And, if I'm not mistaken, most Aussie football games are scheduled in near prime time in the US. The networks are not gonna give up their top-rated live American sports programs for an ultra-niche product. Most cricket games on the other hand are on at AM or early PM when there aren't many programs on that are capable of generating good ratings/ad-revenues.

    There are over a million hardcore ex-pat cricket fans living in the US. You can't tell me the ratings wouldn't be better than the filler programs at 6-11 AM (which average less than 150,000) for top tournaments. Perhaps their ad-revenues wouldn't be as good for the first year as it takes time for people to find out and switch service providers but this is/should be a long term project. A beautiful sport like cricket would attract many casual fans over time that would help grow their overall viewership and ad-revenues, just like soccer has over the years.

    Also, it's not all about ad-revenues. Much of the money ESPN makes is from subscription fees (from service providers). Cricket fans are so hardcore and willing to even pay money to watch that they would switch to companies that provide them top-class cricket for free. That's additional money for the service providers and in turn ESPN.

    Cricket in America is where soccer was 20 years ago. With the help of fans, investors, and TV networks it can reach nearly the same popularity in 20 years as soccer has now. For cricket it may even take shorter because, unlike a decade ago, time is very much in favor of niche sports now with dozens of sports networks willing to pay money for properties with low ratings. For example, Italian Serie A and Spanish La Liga each received a $20+ mil/per season deal despite getting less than 150,000-200,000 viewers per game (MLS gets $28 mil for ratings that averages under 250,000 on the two major networks). The main reason cricket is where it is now is that the games were always buried in PPV and subscription based channels. To grow the sport needs to be on "free" cable/sat TV where they can convert the curious and casual viewers into fans over time. If there can be 300+ soccer games on cable/sat each year making $350 mil in rights fee, no reason cricket can't have at least 1/5th the exposure and money.

    Another factor that should help cricket is that it has lots of mini-breaks where they can show short/regular commercials, unlike in soccer. That has to be appealing to the TV networks, and make it worthwhile for them to invest in the sport. If we want cricket to become more popular the fans also have to do their part (i.e. constantly request the networks to put cricket on and the service providers to get the channels that televise cricket) .
     
  14. Rocket22

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    The network beIN Sports which is advertising itself as the "America's New International Sports Channel" will likely televise some cricket in the future. But to be sure I request everyone to email them and post on their facebook wall to get top cricket properties and perhaps even sub-license the ICC events from ESPN3 so we can watch them on TV. These guys have shown they are willing to throw insane money to get things started (evidenced by the relatively big rights fee they paid to some niche European soccer leagues that gets low ratings). They are one of our best bets to get top level cricket on "free" cable/sat TV.
     
  15. rajmarie

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    Sent email to espn requesting then to put T20 WC on their tv channel also along with their edpn3 network. No response for last 4 days.

    I will not change my ISP just to ser this.
     
  16. satroy

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    this is never going to happen, not in our life time
     
  17. satroy

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    this is not going to happen
     
  18. Rocket22

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    Care to explain? I've heard the "never gonna happen" line many times 20-25 years ago from pessimistic and lazy soccer fans (and 10 years ago from some rugby fans). We've all seen how that turned out. It would also happen to cricket already if ICC/BCCI weren't short sighted by taking the quick/bigger money from pay-per-view/Subscription networks instead giving the rights away for cheap to networks with broader access in order to grow the game. As corrupt and hated as FIFA is at least they had the intelligence and vision with the American market and were willing to grow the sport by not burying the games in PPV and specialty channels. And they have been rewarded handsomely for that vision (with a billion dollar contract).

    There's a lot of money to be made from this market with televised cricket. May take few years for it to be easily accessible but it's inevitable in this era of a dozen sports channels (and more to come) searching desperately for live contents. We can however speed up the process by doing our part.
     
  19. satroy

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    Cricket and soccer are different. Soccer is played by all countries and cricket only 10 countries
     
  20. rwmair

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    That's true, and I wasn't saying that because Aussie Rules didn't succeed, cricket wont. I was drawing lessons learned from attempts to get ESPN to show something they don't want to.

    Actually, Aussie Rules games take place between midnight and 8am EDT, with most marquee games generally between 5 and 8am, which wouldn't even impinge on prime time on the West Coast. While cricket from India comes in between midnight and 11am EDT, cricket from England, South Africa and the Caribbean can extend thru till 5pm EDT, while from Australia and New Zealand, it begins at ~ 6pm EDT.

    There are a lot of us - but also most of us have to go to work at those hours. And I'd bet that ratings figures are less important at those hours than revenues. Why else would any TV channel broadcast infomercials?

    While its true that ESPN makes substantial sums from subscription fees, let me know when you get someone from ESPN who confirms that its not all about ad-revenues. :)

    You're losing me here. That's what happens now - many cricket fans switched from DirecTV after the demise of the cricket ticket PPV to Dish for the advent of Ten and NEO cricket, which DirecTV don't carry. Presumably, this is why Dish and Ten signed a 4-year exclusive deal in the US, rather than trying to get Ten as much exposure in the US as possible. But (virtually) everyone has ESPN (TV) no matter what platform they have - so no-one is going to switch providers to get ESPN if they start showing cricket on their TV channels.

    As others have already said, I don't see the analogy to soccer. In addition to being a global sport, soccer was also *played* widely across the US 20 years ago. It was one of the largest participant sports for girls. And obviously there's the Hispanic influence. Cricket doesn't have that level of organization or involvement across the US by non-expats.

    TV networks invest in what makes them money, not in sports. What I've learned from the Aussie Rules trials is that aside from the major US Pro sports, and international events like Grand Slam golf and tennis (which make enough thru ad-revenue), ESPN owns nearly everything else they show. Bass Fishing, Poker, X-Games, Strongest Man, etc etc. Its not just filler for their non-primetime hours, its making them money from every brand-name on anyone's shirt, to foreign syndication of this filler, etc etc....

    That part is certainly true - hence my original analogy to Aussie Rules. A US-based lobbying organization, with ties to the AFL in Australia, was formed 25 years to lobby ESPN and others, and organize concerted letter/email campaigns. So far, we have a dozen people here who speculate on an internet web page about cricket. The numbers are much larger for cricket, but there's no organization. There's a governing body in the US - they should add this job to their resume.

    What got soccer to where it is now in terms of TV coverage in the US was the actions of the US soccer governing body, not any desire from ESPN to grow the game. (More in next reply)
     

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