Is AT&T Hedging their bet with NFL ST?

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  1. JoeTheDragon

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    the X1 (MLB-EI, NBA-LP, NHL-CI) HD only has the link in the XXX range and not the XXXX range and it's hidden in an list of menus next to the SD channels (may change this year) Just what we need bar staff to clueless to find the hd channels.
     
  2. JoeTheDragon

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    also blackouts will be an mess as well. iNDemand can maybe cut MLB, NHL, NBA games down to 1 feed per game max. And use some of the GAME and TEAM on Sundays. Maybe even HDPPV1

    They may need to pick feeds at each local headed vs stacking off of the bigger NHL, MLB, NBA zones. Also the team / game split helps as well. NHL / MLB have bigger zones then NBA
    http://www.tsq.com/alerts/NHL Center Ice Info for 2018-19.pdf
    http://www.tsq.com/alerts/NBALP Blackouts 18-19.pdf
     
  3. Athlon646464

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    I've thought this as well. Amazon could certainly afford to do this. I don't know how they would deliver the NFL to areas without broadband, however.
     
  4. dtv757

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    Speaking of broadband a lot of folks suffer from POS cable broadband and or broadband with data limits

    So that may be something to consider... also

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  5. JoeTheDragon

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    and commercial accounts. do they have boxes with (Component) cable out? and / or NO HDCP on sport feeds.
     
  6. Athlon646464

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    From this Bloomberg article:

    "Amazon Investment in Yankees Network Could Threaten Sports TV Bundling"

    "The shifting of rights structure is ongoing for the sports TV business, but Morgan Stanley believes the long-term trend likely points to streaming while near-term specifics remain unclear."

    Like my dad always said: "Follow the money." Has AT&T bitten off more than it can chew?
     
  7. wxman2003

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    There are probably significantly more people that have capable broadband who would stream NFL games than there are DTV customers getting ST. I would bet the amount of subscribers would increase. It would be interesting to know the number of people streaming MLB vs those who subscribe via DTV.
     
  8. slice1900

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    Amazon is just one of the minority investors there, I wouldn't read too much into it. Maybe they bought in to get exclusive streaming rights, but even then to justify a $3.5 billion price they would have to charge just as much and enforce the same blackouts etc. as TV does. It isn't going to be something people get free with Prime or it would destroy the value of the network for TV, given how many people have Prime already.
     
  9. cebbigh

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    In September 2018 I was ready to cut over to Directv Now and at the very last moment kept my Directv service for some serious upgrades (4k) and a free year of ST and discounts. I had to commit to 2 years to do it. So I will be with them through the end of the 2019 season at least. If ST is gone from the Directv services in 2020 I would likey drop the service completely unless they have something hidden up their sleeves with 4K HLG/HDR.

    The PQ of the Thursday night Amazon broadcasts is great. If they start 4K HDR they will really be stunning. But if Amazon picks it up there will be no way to record the games for future viewing. The PQ on Game Pass doesn't cut it for me.

    I always thought that the driving force behind Directv's promotion of 4K HLG/HDR was future NFL broadcasts but it's hard to tell what the ATT regime is committed to, if anything, at this point.
     
  10. Athlon646464

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    Anytime Amazon dips their toe into something new - keep an eye on them. Groceries (Whole Foods) , a newspaper (Washington Post), prescription drugs (Pillpack) etc. They're already streaming NFL national games - this move into a RSN is, in my opinion, as much a learning experience for them it may be a profit center. In my view, they will learn how to make money by delivering a very good product at a perceived good value.
     
  11. slice1900

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    Amazon has nothing to do with the Washington Post. Bezos owns it as a private investment.
     
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    Directv has no say on when NFL broadcasts are available in 4K, anymore than they have any say when ESPN creates a 4K channel.
     
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    It will all depend on whether the price they can get from streaming more than makes up for the reduced price Directv is willing to pay for it on satellite as a non-exclusive.

    I mean, how many residential subscribers would Directv lose if it is no longer the only way to get NFLST? One million? Two million? They have to take all the profit they earn from those people into account in addition to what those people are paying for NFLST itself.
     
  14. TheRatPatrol

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    And all the sports bars.
     
  15. slice1900

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    Why would sports bars leave Directv if they still had it on satellite as a non exclusive? Even if there was a streaming option licensed for commercial public viewing (which is unlikely as there are zero video streaming options licensed for commercial and only a few for music) it is still a problem to distribute that to all your TVs - even IF you have a rock solid internet connection able to handle dozens of simultaneous streams. You'd be buying a set top for every TV, running ethernet to them (because you sure as hell aren't going to want to rely on wireless for this) and then doing the HDMI1/HDMI2 switching thing for every TV.

    It'd be even worse for those who have a matrix system, because now they need 8+ additional inputs which means throw out the old system and go to one 2-3x as expensive - and it has to be HDCP/HDMI compliant which is even more expensive for those (like BW3) using component.

    Yeah, Directv will keep all the commercial customers if NFLST add some streaming options.
     
  16. JoeTheDragon

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    well they don't have to enforce HDCP for live sports does D*?
     
  17. TheRatPatrol

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    Sorry I think I misunderstood what you said above in post 34. What I was thinking is IF D* lost the NFLST entirely they would lose the sports bars as well as residential customers. But it doesn't sound like they're going to lose it entirely.
     
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  18. slice1900

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    That's the most valuable and expensive content they have, do you really think the networks would allow it to be unprotected?
     
  19. James Long

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    From the "official" comments it sounds like the streaming is the only delivery that is up for discussion. DIRECTV would remain the exclusive distributor via cable/satellite. The exclusive may (or may not) be opened up to include UVERSE subscribers.

    NFL Sunday Ticket not being on UVERSE highlights the issue of contract limitations. While it is possible that AT&T|DIRECTV has not pursued the UVERSE path due to technology reasons, I believe the method of delivery is included as part of the contract. The NFL has allowed streaming delivery to satellite customers and limited streaming delivery to other markets, the current contract has prevented the channels from being part of DIRECTV NOW nationwide.

    I assume the NFL will pick an exclusive streaming partner and AT&T wants to be that partner. I also assume that DIRECTV will remain the exclusive satellite/cable partner. It is worth too much to DIRECTV to lose that exclusivity and the NFL is being paid too much to try to cut non-exclusive deals with multiple providers.
     

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