Is getting the 4K upgrade worth it?

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  1. Jan 19, 2019 #61 of 151
    mjwagner

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    Actually the point I was making was about the price. Why would anyone pay D to rent a 4k move for $10.99 or $11.99 when you can easily rent 4k HDR with ATMOS movies for $5.99. VUDU is just one place.

    I have several 4k HDR with ATMOS movies on blu-Ray that came with a digital copy which provides the same movie to stream in 4k HDR with ATMOS (again I use VUDU). It’s hard to hear the difference, for me, but I can see the difference in the video between the streaming version and the blu-Ray. It’s not a big difference, subtle for sure, and that is watching it on my projector with a 102” screen, but I can see the difference.
     
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  2. Jan 19, 2019 #62 of 151
    mjwagner

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    I don’t really care about plain 4k. To me the difference between good 1080p and plain 4k is not a big deal, subtle for sure. The big difference is between 1080p and 4k HDR or DV. To my eyes that is a clear discernible difference.
     
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  3. Jan 19, 2019 #63 of 151
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  4. Jan 20, 2019 #64 of 151
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    I would be willing to bet a lot of money we never see an 8K channel on Directv. Pretty skeptical we ever see them at all.

    Like mjwagner said above the more noticeable improvement for native 4K content is HDR, other than that even some people here don't see much of a difference between good quality 1080p that's upscaled to 4K and native non-HDR 4K content. How much of a difference can one really expect between good quality 4K HDR upscaled on an 8K TV and native 8K HDR content?

    The process of increasing resolution is one of diminishing returns. Yesterday technology offered a way to build 4K TVs, today it offers a way to build 8K TVs, and tomorrow will offer a way to build 16K TVs, but the difference becomes less noticeable and matters to fewer people with each step.

    Since 8K won't bring along a secondary improvement, like the inclusion of HDR with 4K, I don't see it mattering to enough people for the investment needed to bring the content to people's homes. Maybe a few special occasions like the Olympics will be streamable - big ISPs might want to promote that as a way of showing how fast the connections they offer, and OEMs selling 8K TVs could build an app to stream it as a way of promoting them (and since you won't have an 8K capable set top)
     
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  5. Jan 20, 2019 #65 of 151
    b4pjoe

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    Yes the 4K option is checked. My 4k tv is a 55" LG so maybe that is why. Even watching 4K on Youtube, Netflix or Amazon looks the same as watching HD to me.
     
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  6. Jan 20, 2019 #66 of 151
    b4pjoe

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    Also my 4K TV is not HDR so I am sure that makes a difference too.

    And we still have video stores here. And Red Box machines.
     
  7. Jan 20, 2019 #67 of 151
    MysteryMan

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    HDR makes a significant difference.
     
  8. Jan 20, 2019 #68 of 151
    mjwagner

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    Most tvs also have some settings that need to be enabled to get the full effect. Best to go read your tvs manual as they are all different.
     
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  9. Jan 20, 2019 #69 of 151
    b4pjoe

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    Yeah I have checked all settings. Mine has an HDMI ULTRA HD Deep Color setting that is enabled.
     
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  10. Jan 20, 2019 #70 of 151
    mjwagner

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    Unfortunately, as I have noted in previous posts, the difference between good 1080p and 4k on a 55” tv (I think that was the size you said you were using) at normal viewing distances is almost imperceptible, at least IMHO. 4k HDR or DV is a whole other ball game.
     
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  11. Jan 21, 2019 #71 of 151
    b4pjoe

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    Yes that is how I see it. Thanks for the info and not just telling me to get my eyes checked.
     
  12. Jan 21, 2019 #72 of 151
    P Smith

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    instead, may I offer to you switch your TV to 75" or 82" model ? :p
     
  13. Jan 21, 2019 #73 of 151
    Rich

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    I know I've asked for your location before...you actually have video stores? I did find a Red Box in a supermarket the other day. I just did a Google search for video stores in my area and all I see are three Red Box locations. Reason this interests me is I was considering opening one up a few years ago. Glad I didn't.

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  14. Jan 21, 2019 #74 of 151
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    Rich

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    None of them in NJ. Interesting tho. Plenty of them in the middle of the country. IIRC, you live in Illinois?

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  16. Jan 21, 2019 #76 of 151
    b4pjoe

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    Yes.
     
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  17. Jan 21, 2019 #77 of 151
    James Long

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    Two Family Videos near where I live ... 18 Red Boxes. I have never visited any of them. I cannot remember the last time I rented a physical video. (Probably 10 years ago borrowing DVDs from the city library.) I have bought a few DVDs and BluRays over the past 10 years but "On Demand" and movie channels have taken over. I have too many DVDs that I have only watched once ... On Demand is cheaper for stuff I'll probably never watch again (until it is on a movie channel or broadcast TV).
     
  18. Jan 21, 2019 #78 of 151
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    I never understood how library’s were able to “rent” DVD’s and music CD’s.
     
  19. Jan 22, 2019 #79 of 151
    P Smith

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    better ask such q in your own thread :(
     
  20. Jan 22, 2019 #80 of 151
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    It all depends on the source material.
    If you watch low bit rate low color depth 4K streaming content it’s not going to look better than 1080p content at a higher bit rate. As for Youtube you have to select the right video if you want to see how well it can perform. Be careful because the default auto resolution mode will default to a resolution that your ISP bandwidth can deliver. It takes a 40kb connection to see the good 4K demos.

    On the other hand 4K content with a very high bit rate exploits all the color aspects and shading that the 55” TV offers and the picture difference is immediately noticeable.
     
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