Is getting the 4K upgrade worth it?

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  1. P Smith

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    it's UHD, there is no TV with 4K support ;)
     
  2. Rich

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    You've always thought 4K was some kind of fad, this is nothing new. If this and if that. You have to realize the UHD sets are here to stay. Selling 1080p sets next to UHD sets...who would buy the 1080p sets? The difference is right there for everybody to see. When I bought the first 4K set I did see 1080p sets and nobody was looking at them or buying them. I bought two 1080p Samsungs that year and quickly took both of them back because it was obvious they weren't in the same league as UHD sets.

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  3. James Long

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    Here to stay but not because 4K is the only thing that people want. More because 4K is the only thing people can get (for the larger size screens).
     
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  4. slice1900

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    If 4K TVs were creating demand because they are 4K, then why have TV sales in the US been declining? That doesn't sound like "massive demand" to me.
     
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  5. slice1900

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    Quit putting words in my mouth. I NEVER said they were a fad. I said that 4K TVs would sell because pretty soon that's all you would be able to buy. And guess what, I was right.

    The people here are NOT typical TV viewers by any stretch of the imagination. The average person buys TVs by size and price. If the average person cared about PQ to any great extent, Comcast would have customers leaving in droves in each market they do the DOCSIS 3.1 upgrade that is a massive downgrade for PQ.
     
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  6. James Long

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    Comcast has shifting from being a TV provider to being primarily an ISP. They are converting their systems to follow their customers. People ARE leaving Comcast for other providers ... I'm not sure how big a "drove" is but people are leaving.

    While Comcast are still pushing packages that include TV their prices for Internet only are becoming reasonable enough that people can afford to subscribe to Internet without needing a bundle discount.
     
  7. slice1900

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    I'd say a "drove" is "at a noticeably higher rate than they are leaving other cable/satellite providers". All cable/satellite companies are losing subscribers to cord cutting these days, but if people were leaving a provider for PQ it would be additive to the people leaving for cord cutting (most of whom are doing so to save money)
     
  8. justinboo

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    After 10 days and many phone calls I finally got 4K. I got someone in the RC1 department. It took her about 10 mins to get it turned on. So frustrating that it took talking to 6 people and hours with the installing tech before you finally get someone that knows what they are doing. Anyway, it looks great!


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  9. Andrew Sullivan

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    I don't totally agree or disagree with your ideas. I think many people buying a 55" and higher TV will either be familiar with at least the term "4K" or ask or be told about it during the buying process. As far as 3D that's a different story. Some, like me, would consider 3D a absolute must have feature. But like you said, for many it was a included feature on any medium to high end set.
     
  10. slice1900

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    Not saying they won't have heard of '4K' and understand it means better resolution, just that they aren't considering it in their decision making. If they are buying a 50" or larger TV they probably have no choice, as I said a few years ago the manufacturing process used for larger TVs means it is actually more expensive to make the larger pixels 1080p would require at large sizes.
     
  11. dreadlk

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    There is no doubt that upscaled 1080P content looks better on a 4K TV and will no doubt look even better on a 8K TV, but the point is that you really want to have native resolution content on each format because it is when you have Native 4K content that the picture really shines. As far as I can see I think it will be a very long time before any network jumps in and goes Native 4K.

    As for those that say the majority of the public does not care, they are 100% right. I have gone to many a house and seen a 4K TV with all knobs turned fully to the right;). 100% brightness, 100% everything. The Soap Opera effect in full effect and they love it. I adjusted one guys LG B6 plasma back to a normal picture which took about an hour and came back to his house a month later and everything was crap again. I asked him what happened and he said the himself and the wife hated the Dark Lifeless picture so they turned everything back up again.:eek:

    I guess most of you have seen this video but even if you have not please listen to the comment made at 6:35 min again. That kind of tells you how bad it really is.



    BTW I don't know if this info below is correct but if it is then I am shocked at how little content is in 1080P. I remember a cable guy telling me a few years ago that almost every channel on their system was 720P and that it was upscaled by the box to 1080. I never believed that but now I am starting to wonder after seeing this and seeing so many stations still in 720P and the rest in 1080i and the overal list of HD stations is not even that long.

    Take a look:
    High-definition television in the United States - Wikipedia
     
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  12. TheRatPatrol

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    So 1080p HDR? I guess this wasn’t an option back when 1080p first came out?
     
  13. dreadlk

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    Well I had never heard of it back when I started watching 1080P.

    I know this might offend some people but this is just my personal opinion. I kind of hate HDR! I have a home theater setup and the room is dark accept for an adjustable light on the ceiling. I find HDR to be extremely taxing on my eyes. The brights are so bright that it hurts my eyes and then when a scene goes dark it takes my eyes time to adjust, so for about 20-30 seconds I am having a hard time seeing whats going on in a dark scene. BTW the worst offender is Netflix which compensates for it's low 4K bit rate with an extreme dynamic lighting range in HDR. Directv's 4K HDR is not nearly as bad.

    If I use HDR in a brightly lit room it's fine but not in my home theater room.
     
  14. slice1900

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    HDR is still pretty new, so adjustments to dynamic range for very dark or very bright rooms aren't there yet.
     
  15. horace clark

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    To the OP. Is getting the 4K upgrade worth it? YES. Great video posted by dreadlk. Can’t wait to see the Masters on channel 106.
     
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  16. jimmie57

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    I adjusted the settings on my TV for the 4k content on You Tube. People that are viewing 4k on DirecTV might have to use a splitter and 2 connections on their TV so that they have one Input for 4k and another for everything else. My TV has a choice when I am adjusting it to adjust for ALL or this Input Only.
    Take pics of your current settings.
    Play with the settings and if you do not like it then use your pics to get you back to the previous settings.
    The upscaling in my TV is awesome. I love it. It is a 2016 model.
     
  17. dreadlk

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    Jimmie one of the problems I find especially with Netflix is that I setup the TV settings for regular 4K and that looks as good as it can for Netflix then I go to an HDR show and it's like a flashlight in my eyes. Subtitles are especially annoying in a dark scene as they hurt everyone's eyes. If I adjust the picture to make HDR watchable then the other 4K content looks even duller than before and so does the 1080P. So in the end I just adjust for the regular content and leave the HDR stuff super Bright&Dark and go for what works with 95% of the content.
     
  18. MysteryMan

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    Sorry to hear of your HDR issue. What's the make and model of your 4K Ultra HDTV?
     
  19. jimmie57

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    One of my settings in the TV is to turn HDR On or Off. I have mine turned Off because there is much more 4k content that is not HDR.
     
  20. dreadlk

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    LG C7 OLED. I was going to get the newer C8 but then heard it was the same screen panel and only had minor improvements in CPU etc. Not worth paying almost 50% more for.
     

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