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Is SA Worth $11.99/mo

Discussion in 'Sky Angel (Closed Forum)' started by Chris Freeland, Jun 6, 2004.

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  1. Jun 6, 2004 #1 of 29
    Chris Freeland

    Chris Freeland Hall Of Fame

    Mar 23, 2002
    Once I am working full time again I hope to reactivate my E* service, in the past I subbed to AT150, Supers, PBS, Atlanta and Denver distant NBC and CBS. Once I reactivate I am considering AT120/locals/UPN Super, with SA instead of AT180. My favorite channel in the SA line-up is 3ABN which I can get Free ota with good pq on a near by LP TV station. I think I would like Safe-TV and Gospel Music TV, I also have a 15 year old daughter who might enjoy the contemporary Christian and Christian Rock video music channels. Since I get 3ABN already, is the rest of the SA lineup including the other channels mentioned worth $11.99/mo.
  2. Jun 6, 2004 #2 of 29

    Ray_Clum Hall Of Fame

    Apr 22, 2002
    If the contemporary Christian and Rock video channels keep your daughter away from MTV, its definately worth it!
  3. Jun 7, 2004 #3 of 29

    TNGTony Hall Of Fame

    Mar 23, 2002
    TVU and Spirit are excellent music channels. I also like the family friendly programming on FamilyLand.

    See ya
  4. Jun 7, 2004 #4 of 29

    mwgiii Gaming Guru and Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

    Jul 19, 2002
    TVU reminds me of the MTV I grew up with in the early 80's.

    Good music, VJ's who are funny & cutting edge without profanity.

    The Ten Most Wanted is a must see show.

    You can get a sneak peek of TVU here:
  5. Jun 7, 2004 #5 of 29

    Pepper Legend

    Mar 8, 2004
    The Worship Network is definitely worth it. If I'm feeling depressed, spending some time appreciating the wonders of creation and reading the Word will get me out of it.
  6. Jun 9, 2004 #6 of 29

    RJS1111111 Icon/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

    Mar 23, 2002
    I'd say it's worth the $12 per month. There isn't any guarantee that they'll ever offer the lifetime subscription again, and it's likely to be around $500 if they do, but I would still consider it if offered again, if I hadn't already purchased two (one for my own household and one for my parents).

    In my view, the channel and content choices have been generally improving over the years, and there is quite a lot of programming that is worth watching. SA has a long way to go to achieve its lofty goals, and can only reach them with our prayer support, subscriptions and donations.

    Having SA available in your home can really make a positive difference. Because of differing tastes and a fair amount of duplication and repetition, there may not always be something good on, but there usually is.:D

    I think the owner of Safe TV must be a Seventh-Day Adventist, because quite a bit of SDA programming appears on there as well. Familyland is the only specifically Roman Catholic channel, and offers some entertainment programming.
  7. Jun 9, 2004 #7 of 29

    rcbridge Godfather

    Oct 31, 2002
    Just try it for awhile if you don't like it it will cost you the downgrade fee but if you do, it's all worth it.
  8. Chris Freeland

    Chris Freeland Hall Of Fame

    Mar 23, 2002
    Yes Safe TV is owned by a Seventh-Day Adventist business man. It is a combination of the SDA programing and the safe secular programing that appeals to me on this channel. Yes I might also enjoy some of the entertainment programing on Familyland too.

    I am still out of work at this time except for some temp jobs (please keep me in your prayers that I may find full time preferably IT work soon), however I may be in position to re-instate my E* subscription in 2 - 4 weeks or so and I will likely get just AT120 and Supers at first, however once I am working full time again I hope to upgrade my equipment including a DVR522 and add my Chattanooga locals which require a SuperDish and maybe the DPP44 switch will be out by then so I can easily integrate a 2nd dish for SA.
  9. TimL

    TimL Legend

    Apr 23, 2002
    I think Sky Angel would be a bargain at $14.99. I like the Family-Friendly programming..And although no one has really said much about it...I like the Radio Programming Especially Moody (Which we can get on air in the Cleveland Area) Oasis..(with a station in Canton as well)..But my favorites are BBN from North Carolina (Which I have begged them to put a station in the Canton area for years) Sacred Favorites (which actually runs on a subcarrier of Northern Christian Radio in Michigan) Solid Gospel Radio and Bott Radio Network. I only wish they would get more Family Friendly sitcoms on some of their stations..They show the same ones all the time..there is so much more out there IMO..

    Tim Lones
    Canton, Ohio
  10. ibooksrule

    ibooksrule Godfather

    Feb 16, 2003
    i am 28 and i love sky angel although i have watches less because i am having to much fun with my HD programming but i still love it. I now have voom and sky angel and dish and i love SA its very good i remember mtv back in the days before digital cable and stuff back when it was first starting and it wasnt bad back in the day it had good funny clean djs and better music. Today mtv is worthless, when mtv2 first came out it wasnt to bad but now its junk too. I still like vh1 though and its behind the music and Vh1 classic i like too sometimes it reminds me of mtv in the 80s. but you cant beat tvu and spirit i like both. TVU is awesome when i want some hard edged music and when you want to listen to more contempery try spirit. They are awesome people the ones who own tvu,radiou and spirit i use to work for a christian radio station simlar to radiou and we knew the people at radiou and they are great christians and just awesome people. They even have a helpline you can call thats an 800 # and they are very helpful. Good place for your daughter to get advice or a good christian to talk to rather then listen to the junk on MTV. I love the programming on SA and i think its worth every penny some channels are better then others but all in all this is one great prgramming package and it is worth all of the money spent to get ths great programming. great in a world wear most of what you see and hear is neggitve and disturbing SA will offer you comfort and joy and just great programming
  11. genemcd

    genemcd New Member

    Dec 8, 2003
    I was an early adopter with Sky Angel and paid $300 for a lifetime subscription back in the 90's sometime. Since that time, we've changed to DirecTV for our mainstream programming but we still have Sky Angel on a couple of Dish receivers. I would hate to be without it. I listen to the radio more than I watch TV anyway and I love having their selection of radio stations. I wasn't happy when they switched from K-Love, Air-1 and Pulse-FM but I thoroughly enjoy WAY-FM and BOTT (have to take the bad with the good sometimes). The audio channels, Worship, Spirit and a couple of the others would be worth the monthly charge to me. I just wish they could expand their horizons and offer more...especially audio!
  12. Mike Richardson

    Mike Richardson Banned User

    Jun 12, 2003
    Sadly, SkyAngel still only has two transponders. Unless they can get another one then their programming will be limited for years to come.
  13. RJS1111111

    RJS1111111 Icon/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

    Mar 23, 2002
    True, they currently operate on only two transponder frequencies (tp 25 and 32) at only one slot. They actually own the rights to eight, but have leased six of them back to DISH. I can't remember whether this deal was made for the remaining operating life of E3, or "just" until SA can get its own satellite launched and operating.

    Either way, as you say, it'll probably be several years before they can get out of the lease. Of course, while in place, the lease is also an excellent source of revenue for SA; probably much more than the subscriptions and donations. But it may not sit well ethically with them, since these revenues are from DISH, which gets its revenues from subscriptions to all kinds of programming (including unwholesome kinds).

    As I've mentioned before, if/when SA does get its own satellite launched and operational, I presume they will put at least some spot beam capability on board, potentially allowing international re-use of their FCC-licensed frequencies, e.g. for Europe and Africa. They might even be able to take back the leased frequencies from DISH.

    They are also hoping to get international licenses for two other slots, in order to blanket the whole world.

    Their international production facilities are still under construction. Hopefully their completion will allow the production of more high-quality original and international programming (sooner rather than later). This should attract more subscribers and donors, and allow them to expand their satellite broadcast capabilities.
  14. mwgiii

    mwgiii Gaming Guru and Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

    Jul 19, 2002
    I think a great solution for Sky Angel to increase subs would be to settle their litigation with Dish Network.

    Sky Angel would drop their suit in exchange for Dish Network allowing all SA channels to show up in subscribers guide (like Showtime/HBO if you don't subscribe).

    Most Dish subs don't even know Sky Angel exists.
  15. Sonnie Parker

    Sonnie Parker Legend/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

    Nov 29, 2002
    I for one didn't know I could get Sky Angel through E* until just now. I'm not sure why I haven't clicked on this forum until now. I thought all the religious channels available were already on E*. The ones available I haven't been too impressed with. I'm not too much into healing shows and stuff that's not scriptural.... but it sounds like SA offers more appropriate Christian programming that I and the family might like. The idea of getting my 14 year old daughter away from MTV sounds really good. I've already made my mind up to lock out MTV anyway. It's gotten really bad. Of course I really need to be locking out some of those shows I watch as well... I'm guilty myself of watching The Shield, Soprano's, etc... I'm addicted to cop and mafia type shows.
  16. hankh

    hankh Cool Member

    Sep 3, 2003
    I like getting the old westerns on SA. I hope that they will expand programming, when possible, to include some PBS items too.
  17. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    Life of E3, but it may be permissive enough to let SA leave E3. The restrictive part of the deal seems to be:
    1) Service Provision: E* is required to continue to host SA until E3 dies
    2) Non-Compete: E* cannot add new religious stations nor can SA add non-religious ones
    3) Space Provision: E* can use six of SA's transponder licenses until E3 dies

    Considering that TP28 is apparently dead on E3, a SkyAngel owned and operated bird would get their current two transponders ans possibly TP28 (a 50% increase in usable bandwidth) even if E* gets to keep the rest of the transponders until E3 dies. Then again, E* might be able to tune TP32 down and recover TP28 for use.

    Two separate issues. The first is settling their suit. It does not do SA well to be suing to keep religious broadcasting away from the public. Their mission is supposed to be to get the message out, not to get the message out to people willing to pay them. It's like a church taking the offering at the door on the way in ... refusing admittance without a "cover charge", and suing their neighbor for offering free ministry.

    The second issue would only affect 61.5 dish owners, but it would be nice to see those channels as available (just like the many Internationals). Perhaps even add them to the instant order selections like Showtime, Bloomberg, and some of the porn channels. E* doesn't really want to solicit orders for SA.

    BTW: The 9400 range PI channels are also hidden on E* receivers from subscribers who don't get them (Dish Latino and non-subscribed units). Opening up SA channels to being in red would also make them visible in the guide to non-subscribed receivers. A good thing.

    Quite the contrary. E* got a few religious channels as "Public Interest" and one more as a paid channel before making the deal with SA to not add any more religious channels. They allegedly broke the deal by adding FamilyNet (on 61.5 or 148) and Daystar - which E* claims are non-religious channels.

    There are a lot of religious channels out there, even more than Sky Angel as the room to carry. SkyAngel has also been forced to drop channels in order to add new content. Most of those dropped channels are still out there.

  18. Spruceman

    Spruceman Guest

    I find it worth the price for Worship (9732) alone. I have no use for the right-wing bigots spewing divisiveness on some of the channels, nor for the so-called Christian Rock music on some of the others. But Worship alone plus a couple of the audio serivices SA has made a life sub a bargain. I just hope it doesn't disappear as Praise (9731) did awhile back. I just wish they'd have a couple of audio channels with traditional hymns (one instrumental, one an instrumental/vocal blend) as Christian music was 50 years or so ago before rock began infecting the musical world.

    Yes, they definitely need to use a third transponder. PQ is a drawback.
  19. hankh

    hankh Cool Member

    Sep 3, 2003
    The Worship channel is definitely worth the subscription price! However, who is a bigot, seems to be a subjective judgement as they seem to cover the entire political spectrum.
  20. jegrant

    jegrant Legend

    Mar 24, 2002
    I'm unclear how SA* putting up their O&O bird would give them another transponder. If they owned a satellite that *could* use one of their frequencies that E* currently can't, wouldn't E* just require them to use that one, and any other one they would choose, thereby preserving the 6/2 balance? The only way I could see it, would be if they were able to re-negotiate (perhaps by promising to use DVS-1 as a backup in case of E-3 failure? And/or settling the lawsuit by canceling the whole agreement with E* early?)

    (Note that I realize SA* may not want to carry some of E-3's programming due to its content, but perhaps a deal could at least be worked out to carry international channels, as for many expatriates, if E-3 went down (and they were unable to immediately repoint to 119 or 110 (or 121?)) they would have no service in their native language. I would like to think SA* might consider that as a factor.)

    FWIW, I don't even understand why it's taking so long to settle this matter, because SA* had posted to their "hidden" website at skyangel.com/echostarlawsuit that (at one point) the matter was going to arbitration which would be completed in 30 days.
    At that site, in fact, it states (in a paragraph dated January 29, 2004) that "... EchoStar and Dominion are in arbitration, which is in less than 30 days."

    What I don't get is why E*, being publicly traded, wouldn't release the results of said arbitration (even if not favorable to E*)? Aren't they required to inform investors if anything were to affect one of their business contracts?
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