ISP injected notification into DTV screensaver pics

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  1. KyL416

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    This has NOTHING to do with Smart TVs, read my posts and visit that link to understand what Altice/Optimum has been doing to HTTP traffic and how this interacts with DirecTV's slideshow screensaver since it's also delivered over HTTP instead of HTTPS.

    Again, this is NOT a smart TV popup, it's Optimum doing thier HTTP injection. The screensaver is HTTP delivered embedded HTML content which Optimum is modifying and inserting code to overlay their ads/promo banner. Since the screensaver isn't something designed for user navigation, you can't access the button to close the popup. (Basically, with embedded HTML content you have to both specifically code the container to pass navigation commands to the web content, and code the web content to accept keyboard/arrow based navigation and selection instead of the traditional point and click, which is what Optimum's overlay expects)

    Sadly like Slice mentioned, until we get some concrete net neutrality polices that prevent ISPs from shaping and modifying traffic, there's nothing regulatory that Optimum is violating by doing this. The only hopes of getting it to stop is if DirecTV switches it to HTTPS delivery, Optimum tweaks it so it only happens with user-agents for desktop and mobile browsers and it won't screw up devices that use embedded HTML content like settop boxes, game consoles, bluray players, etc, the consumer reporters of the local NYC media (where Optimum has the majority of their systems) picks it up and the backlash forces them to stop, or if it pisses off some of the key powerful players I mentioned involved in data hosting and delivery networks and they file a lawsuit against Optimum for manipulating their data to insert ads without the consent of the websites they host. Those players could also force Optimum's hand by terminating all peering agreements until they cease the practice.
     
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  2. mikegold

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    I’ve received that message on my phone, in an unrelated website.


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  3. WalkGood

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    The TV remote had no interaction with the image being displayed. That's what it is, just an image. No interactive buttons of a web page. Just a picture of one. While looking at the picture I attached to the OP, see if you can tap or click on the buttons in the pic...... same effect.
     
  4. Rich

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    Are you located in NJ by any chance? Altice/Optimum is my Internet provider and I have never seen any of these images. Not overly thrilled with Altice. But they are laying fiber in my area.

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  5. WalkGood

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    Long Island, Brookhaven township. I only started getting the screen saver images in January. When I called DTV tech support, that individual support group didn't know about the screen saver images, just the bouncing logos! It wasn't on their own personal home system nor in their office system.
     
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    Figured you were somewhere near my location. Is Altice running fiber in your area?

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  7. WalkGood

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    I do not know. But somehow they block Verizon from running fiber for FIOS.
     
  8. dreadlk

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    Ok I get that but is the TV connected to the internet?
     
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    I live in an area where FIOS is blocked for some reason. If I lived somewhere else just a few miles in any direction I could have it but not here.

    Your avatar gave me pause, is that a slice of bacon (I hope)?

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  10. b4pjoe

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    I don't think it matters if the TV is connected to the internet as the content is coming through the DirecTV box which obviously is connected to the internet.
     
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  11. James Long

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    Emphasis added.
     
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  12. compnurd

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    But does it happen with directv on a non smart tv
     
  13. KyL416

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    Again, that is NOT how Optimum's HTTP injection works. It modifies the source of HTML pages delivered over HTTP connections, like the embedded HTML page that powers the screensaver. It can NOT make overlays on a smart TV popup unprompted coincidentally at the same time the screensaver does. I repeat, that is simply NOT how their HTTP injection works!

    Is there a part of my posts or the technical explanations in that thread I linked to of how this works online that you didn't understand, so I can attempt to explain that part of how these things work in greater depth so hopefully you will stop fixating on this idea of it being Smart TV related?


    No one here is blaming DirecTV if that's what you're trying to do by pinning it on another piece of equipment. This is all Optimum's doing, and sadly until we get Net Neutrality policies that ban this, or they get sued for it, or the local media reports on it and creates a backlash, Optimum has no reason to stop this.
     
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  14. compnurd

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    Considering smart TVs have web browsers and the injection could happen when the tv detects a static image. No not really until this can be proved with a non smart tv
     
  15. KyL416

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    So you're just being stubborn then and will refuse to accept all the technical explanations of how this works, and are ignoring me specifically saying that it ALSO happens on non-smart TVs, got it...

    My brother has Optimum in Smithtown, I spotted it there. And guess what, like I said, it happened there too on his non-smart TVs.
     
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  16. compnurd

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    Nope. I am just simply stating the smart TV could be doing it also
     
  17. KyL416

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    Seriously, just stop. Clearly all this technical stuff about HTTP injection, source code modification of HTML, embedded HTML web content, how web pages and containers need to specifically be coded to allow arrow based navigation/interaction (which is why exiting/closing the notification is NOT possible, no matter which remote you use) is going over your head so just stop.

    I don't know how to make it any clearer for you, it is NOT a smart tv popup, that is NOT how their HTTP injection works! Optimum's HTTP injections does NOT, and can NOT cause seperate unprompted overlays/notifications to appear on a different device. It ONLY modifies HTTP delivered HTML pages that are requested via GET commands. But since Optimum poorly coded it without taking User-Agents in mind so it would only occur on desktop and mobile browsers, it's also modifying the source code embedded HTML content that you can't interact with, like DirecTV's screensaver which is powered by an embedded HTML page delivered over HTTP. (And no, the smart tv information that uses something similar to Shazam to ID what channel and program you are watching when you press an info button wouldn't trigger, that uses POST data to retrieve the content and deliver it in xml or json, it isn't embedded HTML content retrieved via GET.)


    Plus I already mentioned it also happening on non-smart TV's in the post James quoted, the first sentence in post 15 of this thread where I flat out said this also happens on non-smart TVs, which should have been enough to get people to drop the idea of this being smart TV related, even if they didn't understand the more technical details of how HTTP injection works. But apparantly that wasn't enough for you, so I had to be more specific in the later post and say who's non smart TV it was (my brother's) and where they have Optimum (Smithtown)
     
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  18. compnurd

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    I just re read all of your posts on this and none of them mentioned your brothers tv
     
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    Did you really think anyone from customer service could help you with something like this? Some of you people amaze me at the calls you make wasting your time with dumb stuff like this.
     
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  20. James Long

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    You just quoted one that mentioned his brother's TV. :)

    Sorry ... but YOUR theory that the TV is somehow detecting a static image and deciding to go out to a specific provider's website to pull up an unclickable banner to superimpose over the DIRECTV provided image is straight from conspiracy land. The easy answer,as provided, is that the new DIRECTV screen saver is pulling an HTTP web page and using said web pages for the screen saver image. Which makes sense and allows DIRECTV to use HTML to provide overlaid text (such as time and weather shown in the pre-release version of the feature). Then add the well documented bad behavior of Optimum intercepting HTML and inserting their own banners. A much easier answer.

    I suppose it is easier to keep doubling down and believing that the little green men from Area 51 and Harvey Weinstein (for some random reason) have somehow infiltrated one user's SmartTV and place a banner there. I prefer the more simple - and true - explanation. The screen saver is HTML via HTTP ... Optimum is interfering with HTTP connections and altering the page.
     
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