ISP injected notification into DTV screensaver pics

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by WalkGood, Mar 3, 2019.

  1. compnurd

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    Really?? Because show me where he stated that is happened on a non smart tv also besides that post. And I am not takin it laptops. That was the first mention of it. Proper grammar first how he posted it would indicate he already mentioned it

    It has nothing to do with a conspiracy theory. The TV’s have web browsers also. They also have ads and pop ups that are injected now My LG has ad pop ups all the time. Hell my previous Samsung had a feature deticated to somethingthat would pop up information based on the program I was watching on directv at the time
     
  2. James Long

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    He said it in the post I quoted previously. Please, let it go. The actual event has been explained in excruciating detail. Believe it or not, move on.
     
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  3. dreadlk

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    As an EE for over 30 years I have learned to never reject alternate possibilities even if they don't fit what you think you are seeing. While I agree with the current thinking that it is coming from ISP overlaying the message on the DTV screen saver I only pointed out the possibility that it could be from the TV. My TV is hooked up to the Internet and I know that it will overlay messages from various sources onto my picture.

    Without any further investigation I guess the current line of thinking is the most likely. I would point out that I was also greeted with a lot of skepticism on this forum when I said DTV would no longer activate receivers that are obtained from sources other than them or SS. I also said that you cannot activate a receiver that is hooked up to a multiswitch. Both statements were greeted with skepticism not only on this forum but by a colleague at work. I know that since that time I have seen several people mention that receivers off of eBay cannot be activated and a Coworker who recently just got an HR24 replacement told me that when the installer came and saw his WB68 he told him that the unit will not activate unless he changes the whole system to SWiM.
     
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  4. b4pjoe

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    I think what you are seeing from your TV are notifications. I get them on my LG if a new channel is added to the list IP TV stations that LG tv's have if you enable them. Also get notifications if there is a firmware update. Now if I have my TV on and my DTV box turned off I see static images on my screen. But they show up whether there is an internet connection or not.
     
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  5. KyL416

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    Again, that's not what it is. Please reread my posts and visit the link to understand what Optimum is doing and how it modifies the embedded HTML page that powers the Screensaver.

    If there is anything you don't understand about those terms I used or the stuff they mention in that link, I can explain them more in depth for you.
     
  6. b4pjoe

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    I think you are misunderstanding what I said. I was referring to what the other user said about things popping up on his SmartTV. Smart TV's do pop up notifications that has nothing to do with what this thread is about. I do understand what you have said about this thread and agree with you.
     
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  7. KyL416

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    Ah, I understand what you're referring to now. Most of those popups/notifications are powered by json/xml POST requests over HTTPS that Optimum's HTTP injection can't modify.

    In order to inject content over that, they would have to modify the headers, and spoof server certificates so the modified page and headers will pass the integrity checks, which nearly every modern browser and web container would instantly flag as a potential hack/intrusion since the spoofed certificate would fail the security checks that require certificates to be registered for specific domains and signed by a trusted source. And if Optimum attempted to get those spoofed certificates signed, the sources would revoke and add any certificate signed by them to a global blacklist.
     
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  8. inkahauts

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    Can you explain to me if you have ever seen a web browser pop up on a smart tv when you where on an hdmi input? I’ve never heard of that ever. You’d have to have something connected between the source and the tv that allowed it to trigger requesting something. DIRECTV boxes are not connected in such a way that they ever trigger a request from the tv for anything over the internet. Otherwise you’d get random pious on the tv screen all the time regardless of what was coming from the DIRECTV receiver.

    The only other option is if you tell the tv what you are doing and have it monitor your source and look for a trigger. Again that’s not happening here.
     
  9. WalkGood

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    Yep bacon. Support Bacon Awareness. Why did it make u pause?

    In the incorporated village near where I live (I live outside the incorporated village), THEY can get FIOS internet only. But not FIOS TV. Or it's the other way around.
     
  10. WalkGood

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    TV is connected to internet. But it's not a "TV popup". It's from Directv. Instead of bouncing logo after long pause of TV show, directv is displaying web content of images. Think of it as directv is streaming an on demand show which is made of html content still images.
     
  11. James Long

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    Just thinking of bacon makes my heart skip a beat. (Saturated fats and cholesterol tend to do that.)
     
  12. codespy

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    Did someone just say the word bacon??

    It’s Fat Tuesday after all....now I’m hungry! :)
     
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    I have a LG set. OLED-C8. It gets occasional notifications, but not like any mentioned here.

    Only when first powered on. Always in a white background in upper right. Always some notice about LG stuff, like updates to LG apps.

    Always connected to internet.
     
  14. dreadlk

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    Assuming with a high probability that this is a hijack of the http screen saver I would hope DTV takes this seriously.

    The next phase could be ISPs advertising their Cable TV services and offering lower prices.
     
  15. James Long

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    It is a "hijack" of any HTTP served page, not specifically targeted at the DIRECTV screen saver.

    And yes, it needs to stop. This sort of "customer notification" is intrusive and should not be allowed.
     
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    Fecal thoughts. :p

    I'm surrounded by folks that can get FIOS TV and the Internet from them. Why we can't get it is beyond me.

    Rich
     
  17. poppo

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    Wow. Come back to this thread after a few days and someone is STILL trying to blame the TV. In order for that to EVER happen, the TV would FIRST somehow have to decide that the DVR was displaying a screen saver (vice any other image) and THEN somehow hijack the HDMI signal, and THEN turn on it's own web browser, and THEN somehow insert the same images that DirecTV is sending, and THEN inject it's own "watermarks". This is by far the craziest thing I have read here yet.
     
  18. dreadlk

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    All of that already happens on LG Oleds.
    Static images can turn on a TVs screen saver. It happens on my TV. Also several of us have seen LG messages for new IPTV channels over laid on the other input sources.
     
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  19. b4pjoe

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    The TV is not injecting its code into the DirecTV content like the ISP is doing into the DirecTV screensaver. It is simply a message over the top of the DirecTV content. The same way if you open your TV settings. It is just on top of the DirecTV content.
     
  20. James Long

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    To be clear ... TV generated banners would place content over any DIRECTV content, not specifically the screen saver. And such content would not be the Spectrum generated HTML injections matching what is seen in a web browser. Or as an LG TV owner put it:
     

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