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  1. Jun 30, 2020 #61 of 255
    Rich

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    The number of streams doesn't matter. Nobody watches D* much anymore here. Still can't get past the idea that there is no real way to get the D* experience when it comes to sports.

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  2. Jun 30, 2020 #62 of 255
    lparsons21

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    For me the only missing sports channel that surprises me with its absence on ATT TV is the NFL channel. I don’t care that its not there just surprised that its not even on the highest subscription level.
     
  3. Jun 30, 2020 #63 of 255
    SledgeHammer

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    YTTV raised their prices 30% today (for existing customers too)!! These streaming service price hikes are making you home sick for the measly 8% hikes on DTV lol. But its nothing surprising. I've said for years the "free ride" on OTT will come to an end sooner rather then later and the price gaps will close very fast. You're still doing better on OTT if you have a lot of TVs though.
     
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  4. Jun 30, 2020 #64 of 255
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    The last 8% price hike on my AT&T bill was $15 just like the 30% price hike of Youtube TV today which I don't have. Except AT&T also added an extra $1.50 onto my RSN fee at the same time.
     
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    Do the math and look at dollars....A larger percentage increase on a small amount could be less than a small increase in a large amount.

    Plus no ridiculous monthly equipment fees.


     
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  6. Jun 30, 2020 #66 of 255
    SledgeHammer

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    No ridiculous equipment fees or RSNs for me on DirecTV either :D. If you have a lot of "part time" TVs, OTT is your better bet. For one TV, it's pretty much a wash. If you have a lot of "part time" TVs and you suddenly want to watch on 7 TVs at once, you won't be able to do that with OTT.
     
  7. Jun 30, 2020 #67 of 255
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    I have 6 TVs. 5 of them are part time
     
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  8. Jun 30, 2020 #68 of 255
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    Yep, some of us have been saying this would happen for a while now. There is no real difference in cost structure from a YTTV and a Directv once the customer is installed. They pay the same price for the content, and that's the large majority of their revenue right there. Streaming MVPDs might be more convenient for some because they can use their existing set tops or whatever, but they aren't any cheaper to deliver to the customer.

    I saw that AT&T also announced they are raising the price $10/month for the first year for both Directv and AT&T TV as well, so at least the cost jump between first and second year will get smaller :)
     
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    SledgeHammer

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    YTTV, AT&T TV and now today Fubo is joining in on the price hike party with a $10 hike. I guess all these OTT providers didn't realize that hemorrhaging cash was never a viable business model :oops:. Why do I have the feeling OTT is going to get more expensive then DirecTV soon? And they haven't even started monetizing streams yet. You KNOW that will happen. Sat is the only medium where additional outlets doesn't cost anything on the back end. It's free money for Dish and DirecTV. For streaming and cable, you betcha!
     
  10. Jul 1, 2020 #70 of 255
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    As long as AT&T owns it they will never let that happen. :p
     
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    I agree. While ATT TV is still at the higher end of the cost scale, with these latest increases by YTTV and Fubo, it isn’t as horrible as it seems on the surface.

    In my case with ATT TV Entertainment, if I cancel at the end of a year my average cost would be $57/month. If I keep it for the 2nd year the average cost would be $67/month. For new subs now doing the same thing would be $10/month higher in average cost. Of course with HBO Max free for the first year the value is a little better.

    Overall I expect the prices to end up being about the same as Dish/Direct/Cable charges for similar channel lineups but without the added costs of the equipment those services charge for.

    I rather like the way Sling does their offerings. A low price for a set of basic channels with add-ons so that those that just have to have certain channels can be the only ones that pay to have them. Similar to Flex Pack on Dish.
     
  12. Jul 1, 2020 #72 of 255
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    The thing is minus the equipment fee's Directv programming outside of a promo is about the same as everyone else.. My cable company is about 125
     
  13. Jul 1, 2020 #73 of 255
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    Weird. DirecTV is $7/additional TV. I remember when I had to stay at my parents house for a month a few years ago, the 2nd Time Warner/Spectrum box they activated was like $17 a month. Cox seems like its $9/mo or $3/mo for a mini.

    I just can't imagine that OTT/streaming is going to let people continue to get away with account sharing and 4 streams for the price of one for much longer. All of those streams require additional back end infrastructure while with sat you just pluck the bits out of the air for free lol. Then you run into the whole issue of not being able to get everything you want with one OTT provider.

    I'm not a conspiracy guy, but its always seemed to me like the OTT providers are doing the low/teaser prices to "sucker" people in and get them hooked and then ramp up the prices. You've been around DirecTV along time, so you probably remember the old days? ;). Suspicious about pretty much zero security in those days when it was a huge problem for cable? Probably a thing to lure people in and get them hooked, but then it got out of hand.

    Reason I say that is... OTT providers can't POSSIBLY be getting deals on channels for like 10% of DirecTV / cable. Plus hardware infrastructure to support streaming is ridiculous, even in the cloud, even with steep corp discounts.
     
  14. Jul 1, 2020 #74 of 255
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    At the moment streaming is banking on people not using the service they are paying for. Buy two to four streams (depending on service) and spend most of the peak usage hours not watching anything. "Unlimited" within the same household comes with a built in limit of how good the user's Internet connection is. They know that the additional "use anywhere" streams are the ones where people are sharing their accounts with friends and other households. But they watch their numbers and as technology improves expect the same sort of improvements in enforcement that we saw on satellite. And either a hard limit on streams (as most providers have done) or higher prices for those who actually use their streams more than expected.

    I believe there has been loss leader pricing. Most large businesses don't expect to make a profit in the first few years. Give people a taste then charge more later. The deep pockets behind most streaming operations will not be able to afford to lose money for too many years. Especially services that are backed by traditional MVPD services that are being undercut by streaming.

    The good news is that if satellite can make the transition from huge packages to skinny bundles (as DISH did with the Flex Pack) that there is an opportunity to survive. Especially in rural markets where the Internet cannot support high quality service.
     
  15. Jul 1, 2020 #75 of 255
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    They're going to start turning their attention to that eventually. I'm sure they have a pretty good idea of exactly how much this happens, but probably are waiting to see who makes the first move to stop it. When someone does, you can bet the rest will quickly follow.
     
  16. Jul 1, 2020 #76 of 255
    James Long

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    AT&T TV and TVision are leading the field in high prices. Why charge less for a vMVPD than you do for a MVPD? Even if the channel lineups are less.
     
  17. Jul 1, 2020 #77 of 255
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    Well, as a software engineer myself, it's a tricky problem. Where do you draw the line?

    1) allow same wi-fi network only? but some people want to watch on the go, some people don't have wi-fi networks and just watch over the cell provider
    2) maybe geo location? then parents at home couldn't watch while the kids are out at the beach or whatever

    I don't think you can stop account sharing in any reasonable way based on how cord cutters use it.

    As for monetizing streams, I bet they'll eventually start charging per registered device. For people with 16 TVs, etc. Most of those are very part time TVs, so the current pricing where they can use them that way works. If they had to pay for all 16 TVs whether they used them or not... maybe not $7+ to start, but the OTT peeps probably wouldn't complain too bad if it was first 2 devices free, then $1 per device or something like that. Then hike it every year or two til it gets up to $7 :).
     
  18. Jul 1, 2020 #78 of 255
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    I think the demand for OTT services is not as elastic as cable and satellite. As prices rise subscribers are more likely to cancel the service. Live TV is getting to be a smaller percentage of viewing and is pretty much confined to news and sports. Plenty of news on free streaming services. Sports fans can always subscribe to a sports season pass and use a VPN to access local games. For people without OTA they might be able to use a service like Locast.
     
  19. Jul 1, 2020 #79 of 255
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    Do you mean Live TV as in "I need to watch this live" or Live TV as in local & cable channels. If its the later, what are you talking about? I don't watch either sports or news. I'd say 95%+ of my viewing is on local & cable channels if not more.
     
  20. Jul 1, 2020 #80 of 255
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    I was referring to your local & cable channels. Your local channels can be captured to a DVR either by an antenna or Locast with FitzyTV. The non premium cable channels are generally available via Hulu about a week after broadcast. You probably need CBS All Access for some of the CBS owned content.
     

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