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Jury Duty

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Mark Holtz, Oct 24, 2008.

  1. Steve Mehs

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    Do I care that it disgusts you? Not one bit. My opinion is just that, my opinion, I'm not fair. Guilty until proven innocent, is my motto. I've been put in situations where I had to prove my innocence, not involving the law, but there have been times I've had to dig myself out of a hole that others created for me (at work, at school) and I've come out stronger. It can disgust you all it wants that's fine, don't care. Did I say my system was right? No. All I said is you'd better not find me sitting on your jury if being prosecuted against, because I have my own opinions made up and will not let facts get in the way.
     
  2. kocuba

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    Wow that's scary. I've been called for jury duty 4 times. Once for a federal trial. Fool tried to us the USPS as a delivery system for his drugs.

    Another time was less than 2 months before my wedding. When brought tothe stand for questioning. I told them straight out that I'm getting married in 2 months and not looking to get into a long trial. But will do my time with short ones. Never did get accepted for the jury.

    Had a stretch where they called me every 3 years like clock work. But that has stopped. Guess I'm just lucky latly. But I will serve again if called.
     
  3. jclewter79

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    Well, the good thing about it is as long as you give this opinion to the lawyers during the jury vetting period, you have no chance of ever getting picked for a jury. I don't blame you, as much as I hate to say it I don't have time to serve on a jury. The financial hardship would be too much if I got picked to be on jury for any amount of time.
     
  4. Lord Vader

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    Then let us hope that no one gets such an ignorant, biased, patently unfair juror like this on their jury.

    To those who even begin to bitch about jury service--shame on you! The right to a trial by jury is a fundamental right enshrined in our Constitution (for civil cases only if the value exceeds $20)! This right to a jury refers to a jury of your peers (which is why I have NO constitutional problem with said jury being restricted to your same sex, race, etc.). The more there are people who use one excuse or another to get out of this service, the more there will be fewer qualified individuals left to serve on a jury.

    Imagine yourself on trial, whether or not you actually did what you were accused of doing. Would you not want a qualified bunch of individuals who are your peers serving? I would hope so.

    To serve on a jury is both an honor and a privilege, for it is a most serious responsibility that serves as a foundation for our constitutional republic.
     
  5. Steve Mehs

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    Nope. First I wouldn't do anything in the first place to put myself in a situation where I needed to be in a courtroom being prosecuted against. And second, in the off chance I was framed, wrong place/wrong time, whatever, I'd waive my right to a jury trial and let the judge decide. A judge has a lot more knowledge about the law the 12 random jamokes off the street.

    BTW - Ignorant, biased and unfair are only three of my good traits. I've got zillions of them :lol:
     
  6. Lord Vader

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    Trust me. You would NOT want a judge to decide your case if you were, indeed, framed (or something similar). Judges are far less prone to believe your case of being framed. They tend to be much less emotional and unswayed by arguments based on that. Jurors, on the other hand, are far more amenable to your suffering as one who has been framed.

    People should be very wary of bench trials.
     
  7. wilbur_the_goose

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    Steve,
    Did you know the only country that preaches guilty until proven innocent is FRANCE?

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    On an earlier post, somebody mentioned a petit jury. A petit jury is 12 (or less) jurors, versus a grand jury which can have 30-40 members. A grand jury member can serve for months -most are retirees.
     
  8. Lord Vader

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    While our constitutional principle might be "innocent till proven guilty," let's face it. In today's society, one is guilty till proven innocent it sadly seems. Even the mere accusation of something nowadays is enough to tarnish one for life. :(
     
  9. Chris Blount

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    Thank you! Its really sad to see that some don't take it seriously. As I said before, I have served on several juries and enjoyed them. It's not only an honor but sometimes fun and educational.

    Steve, I honestly think that if you serve (assuming you get past the screening process), your opinion would change. I know it's really easy to say guilty right off the bat but you would be surprised what happens when you hear the facts. Most juries can see right through "lawyer speak" and reach the truth. It's not that difficult.

    Instead of spouting how you think the legal system should work, experience it for yourself and then come back and tell us your informed opinion.
     
  10. wilbur_the_goose

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    Worst jury experience I ever had was being an alternate. Means you need to just sit there and keep your mouth shut, which was really tough for me.

    After the parties rested, I was dismissed. I spent about 15 minutes with the defense attorney telling him how I thought he didn't represent his (criminal) client well. The police work was really sloppy and he didn't call them on any of it.

    Guy was found guilty too. Really surprised me, becuase I had way beyond a "resonable doubt".

    I found the experience to be extremely important and my duty as a citizen.
     
  11. Mark Holtz

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    I would like to issue a correction. The last time I served on Jury duty was 1988, not 1987 as previously stated.

    Why the correction? 20 years ago, they started digging up bodies at the boarding house of Dorthea Puente. The recommended route to the courthouse was blocked by Ka-band trucks.
     
  12. Mark Holtz

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    The web site was just updated.

    Group: 210, 211, 212, 213, 214, 215, 216 - You must report to Room 203 @ 8:00 a.m. on Monday November 10th.

    The fun part? If I am kept over, I have to report to work on Tuesday, November 11th, before return to court on Wednesday.
     
  13. Mark Holtz

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    Gotta love this. Twenty years ago, who would have thought of posting from a cell phone in a jury lounge? Check-in has just completed, and they are about to do orientation. I already saw the video through the Internet, so it is a matter of being chosen. More later.

    8:48: OK, orientation is now over and we are now in a 10 minute break. They have informed us that there are six trials that need juries. Let the lottery begin!

    9:33: Two panels down and I'm still in the holding pattern. They are about to select group three. Will I be one of the lucky ones? It all depends on the case.

    9:45: No such luck. Once again, I'm enjoying this seat. Hang on, they are calling panel number four "in a few minutes." Meanwhile, some of the jurors from an earlier panel has already returned. Welcome to that old military term "Hurry up and wait".

    10:10: Panel number four. I'm being called. See you in a while.

    12:10: I'm still in the pool, so I can't say anything. Maybe Wednesday...
     
  14. Mark Holtz

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    I'm free. I'm free. Oh, wait, I may be on the next list. Whoops, wrong Mark. Back to the jury lounge I go.

    During lunch, I did go to a nice French cafe and had both a great sandwich and soup. They said it would be a 45 minute wait. It was. It was well worth it.

    There may be another call in a few minutes. Or not.
     
  15. Mark Holtz

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    They have sounded the all clear signal. I can now claim immunity for the next 18 months. My jury service is OVER!

    I'll say more later... using a better keyboard.
     
  16. jclewter79

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    I just received a questionair for the United States District Court in my area. I have summoned twice for county court twice but never picked. I guess I'll see what happens on this one.
     
  17. Edmund

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    Started jury duty yesterday, chosen as a juror in a criminal case, helped return a verdict today. Won't be called again for at least 3 years. I feel good. :)
     
  18. dave1234

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    In Oregon we had a case where a Judge was left short of enough juror's because too many people didn't show up. The judge ordered the Sheriff to pull people off the street at random for duty, which he did. That was the first time in recent memory that has been done. In Oregon you can be conscripted for duty.

    http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202424176498
     
  19. xIsamuTM

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    just tell them you'd be perfect for jury duty because you can spot guilty people (snap) like that. tell 'em it's all in the distance between the eyes. Then measure the judges, he'll like that

    /carlin
     
  20. Mark Holtz

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    Here we go again.... I get a letter from the Superior Court of California, County of Sacramento summoning me to jury duty on August 17th, 2009.

    (sound of record scratch) Wait a second, I served for one day on November 10th, 2008. I'm filing for an excuse saying that I already served in the past 12 months.
     

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