Just left DirecTV and feel like I jumped ahead a decade...

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  1. NashGuy

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    Yeah, I've watched a bit of foreign TV here and there -- thought Deutschland 83 and 86 (Hulu) were great. Not caught too much of the Brit stuff on Netflix, other than those wonderful BBCNature docs like Planet Earth, Blue Planet, etc. Of course, those are leaving Netflix to become part of the new Discovery on-demand service launching early next year (it's a joint venture between Discovery and BBC). That's, of course, why Netflix rolled out their Planet Earth copy-cat series Our Planet (which is doing quite well for them, apparently).

    I suspect we'll see fewer and fewer of those British scripted shows you like on Netflix too going forward. Some will get clawed back for inclusion on Britbox and/or Acorn TV. But, of course, Netflix will be devoting a big slice of their Originals budget for foreign-produced content, including stuff made in the UK by Brits (along with a growing amount of non-English-language Originals as Netflix tries to grow in India, Brazil, Eastern Europe, etc.).
     
  2. Nick

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    I think Netflix has a brand of sorts -- it's called 'Netflix and chill'. No one ever said 'HBO and chill'. If I could have only one content provider, it would be Netflix.
     
  3. TheRatPatrol

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    Well Fubo started out that way but then they started adding all the others. I don’t know but something needs to give in the future with sports.
     
  4. Rich

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    I'm a tad older than 30 and I never seem to run out of stuff to watch on NF. Just started Stranger Things last night and was hooked very quickly. I'd list all the shows I've really enjoyed on NF but that would take far too much time. You left out Marco Polo and Bloodline, two series that I thought were superb. You keep bringing up HBO, who owns HBO these days? Isn't that AT&T? Aren't they the folks that have truly screwed up D*? Have to wonder what will happen to the truly great lineup of series that HBO has produced in the past. From reading what the CEO of AT&T said about HBO I think we should be worried.

    I get your point, this is just another subjective argument and, of course, YMMV.

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  5. Rich

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    I don't think so. Add to that, Hulu has PQ that I try to avoid. And Hulu is a real PITA to navigate thru. We do pay for the ad-free version. I can't imagine putting up with commercials I can't click thru.

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  6. Rich

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    I/we keep trying to watch The Fall and it never seems to grab us. I like most content from the UK. And Canada, New Zealand and Australia, of course. Actually, the content from Australia is what got me hooked on streaming. The Crown is a magnificent series, I think. All this speculation about NF and streaming is interesting but I don't see many folks that are really into streaming here.

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  7. Rich

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    And, once more, you are correct.

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  8. Rich

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    We keep several streaming video services active at all times. We've seen everything on HBO for the most part and that has been cancelled until more content arrives. But we tend to stay on NF because of the vast amount of quality shows. But, yeah, if I could only have one provider it would be NF...at the moment. I never thought D* would become practically useless to us but it is and it doesn't matter. If things change we can adapt.

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  9. Rich

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    Prices in stadiums keep going up, payrolls keep going up. Television revenues seem to be the cause. And the folks that run MLB and the NFL seem to be riding a wave that never ends. We won't get any relief soon.

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  10. NashGuy

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    Hulu offers 1080p on a lot of stuff and it looks about the same as Netflix's 1080p. And Hulu just introduced 4K for their Hulu Originals if you have an Apple TV 4K or Chromecast Ultra. I'm sure more devices will be supported soon. I expect a bigger splash this fall or next year, with HDR too.

    And if you can't handle ads, do what I do and pay the extra $6/mo. Basic Hulu ad-free is $12.
     
  11. TheRatPatrol

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    You and I can't be the only fans out there that would want a sports only package. But like you said, it's all about the money.
     
  12. NashGuy

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    I didn't watch Marco Polo (nor did much anyone else, hence the cancellation). They spent on a ton on it, so I'm sure it looked great but the tiny bit of footage I saw didn't grab me. I loved Bloodline's first two seasons but the third was a stinker rushed out after the writers were told it would be the last, so wrap it up. (But hey, at least Netflix gave them a heads-up. They don't even tend to do that before killing their series now.)

    Yes, HBO is WarnerMedia, owned by AT&T. For now, at least, it looks like the HBO linear channels and the HBO Originals brand will continue on as protected areas within the larger, broader HBO Max service. (I'm basing this on the new corporate personnel structure, as well as their announced spending and slate of series on tap.)

    I would analogize HBO Max to a shopping mall with four anchor stores: HBO Originals, Max Originals (this is the new line of stuff exclusive to HBO Max), TV Favorites from Warner Bros. Television, and Hollywood Movies: Classics to Today. (This last anchor store mostly features Warner Bros. Pictures brand goods but has a decent selection of new merchandise from Universal Pictures and 20th Century Fox too.) Strolling out into the mall, we see smaller stores with the following brand names: CNN Originals, DC Comics, Looney Tunes, Hanna-Barbera Animation, TBS, TNT, TruTV, Cartoon Network, Adult Swim, and Audience.
     
  13. SledgeHammer

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    What about Lifetime Movies :D.
     
  14. SledgeHammer

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    I'm not a NF hater, I made a lot of money on the stock. However, the story has definitely changed recently. It definitely doesn't have to do with adapting to streaming, it just has to do with the content. They are losing all licensed content, so at $16/mo, it's a hard call for the occasional watchable movie. I watched Point Blank and Murder Mystery recently. Both were OK, but nothing more then that. I wouldn't pay money for that quality of content... it used to be you could find theatrical quality releases there and hit shows. They are even getting away from the shows. They are focusing on just buying up any movie they can whether its good or not -- and in most cases, its not.
     
  15. James Long

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    Johnny Carson had the same reputation for people "chilling" during his show. Several late night hosts have borrowed that line.
     
  16. NashGuy

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    Funny you brought that up, because after I posted that thing about Netflix not really having a brand, the phrase "Netflix and chill" came to my mind. So essentially what you're saying is "Netflix's brand is Netflix." Yes, and tautologies make the tautologies! You're really just making my point for me, which is that, OK, Netflix has become a very popular, broad part of the pop culture landscape, but you're not telling me WHY people like Netflix and WHO it's for.

    I guess if you had a family household -- Mom, Dad, 2.5 kids of varying ages -- and they could *only* watch TV from a single source for the coming year, well, Netflix might be a good compromise choice because, yes, Netflix does provide a lot of content and at least something for everyone. But unless the US economy goes full-on apocalyptic depression, I don't think that kind of scenario is going to be common in the 2020s. Americans will continue to drink from multiple video entertainment wells, in which case Netflix has to distinguish and differentiate itself from the other options competing for consumers' dollars every month.

    So, again, where does that leave a service like Netflix that tries to be a jack of all trades but Master of None? (See what I did there?)
     
  17. SledgeHammer

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    The real thing here is the folks that like Netflix have to realize is that the Netflix story has changed this past year. Prior, they had a good mix of original shows, original movies and licensed content. They had quite a lot of hit original shows and obviously people enjoy the licensed content. Where they've failed so far to me is the original movies which aren't really original, but bought up foreign content, bargain bin movies, straight to video, etc.

    So they're losing all the licensed content, and they've already cancelled all the marvel shows. They've still got some popular original shows. They've also had to cancel a few of those due to bad publicity. I guess Murder Mystery had a lot of views, *shrug* it was watchable, but I wouldn't call it great or even good. It was there...

    So no licensed / popular content + price hike = $380/shr -> $305/shr in a week.

    They can obviously roll back the price hike, but I don't see that as the issue. I see the loss of popular content as the nail. There isn't really anything they can do about that.

    They have a big lead and a brand name... but at the end of the day you need the big content to draw people in and then you can mix in the crappy content.

    And the big outfits haven't even rolled out their services yet, so they haven't taken all their content off Netflix yet.

    Some one else kinda said it, Netflix might just become the next myspace. At 135B market cap, nobody is going to buy it even for 150M users.
     
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    And make sure that package has YES!!!!
     
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    Netflix's biggest problem is that people have no reason to pay for it for 12 months if they want content from other services. Unless you HAVE to watch the latest episodes of whatever when it comes out, you can subscribe for a month and binge to catch up on what you watch, then drop it and do the binging on other services. The whole point of streaming was to get rid of 'appointment TV' so why would you feel you need to watch the latest episodes when they are released? Unless it is a major social phenomena like GoT, but there has never been something like that on a streaming service where everyone is talking about it.

    People have been fine staying subscribed to Netflix 12 months a year because they had so much content thanks to all that licensed content that people could keep it as their one streaming option. As that goes away people will want other services. Sure they could subscribe to 3 or 4 other services 12 months a year and it is still cheaper than cable/satellite but once they realize they are only going to each service once or twice a week many will decide to shift their viewing habits to allow rotating streaming subscriptions. I wouldn't be surprised to see someone like Apple set things up to make that easy for Apple TV owners, doing it automatically.

    This isn't a problem for Amazon, because who is subscribing to Prime for the video? They will want it year round for the free shipping. Netflix however, along with all the other streaming services like Disney+ and so forth will have to live with the reality many people aren't going to stay subscribed every month. Disney makes most of their money elsewhere, so this won't be a problem for them. For Netflix it will be a huge problem, their revenue will decrease and their stock price will plummet. Unless they become a full fledged studio releasing movies into theaters that make a billion dollars like Disney's they won't have another revenue source to offset this.
     
  20. SledgeHammer

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    Dunno if to the level of GoT, but Netflix has a bunch of shows were people talk about them. House Of Cards, Orange Is The New Black, Stranger Things.

    Still think you're giving people too much credit here. Nobody is going to rotate through services every few months and keep track of when shows drop, etc. Too much hassle. You can't even convince a lot of folks on a DIRECTV FORUM to make a 5 minute phone call to retention to lower their bills :D.

    The difference I see between Netflix and all the studio back ones is that the studio back ones aren't going to premiere content on the streaming service for the most part. It's more like "here's where you watch all our old stuff". While Netflix is going to be dropping new content daily.

    THEORETICALLY that'd give Netflix the edge over the studio back ones... except the majority of stuff they are buying up is garbage.
     

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