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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by kb24sd, Jul 1, 2012.
No one has 200 HD channels, let alone 211. No one.
I don't think I'm God at all. I do know that after decades in this business I know a lot more about it than 99.9% of the people here. That isn't anything to do with being God, it's just stating fact. There are fundamentals going on that you and others simply do not understand and I say that based on what you are writing, not based on me just saying it. I'm sorry if that rubs you wrong.
The world has changed, this isn't 2000 anymore, it's not even 2010 anymore. You cannot run a business where your number one product...content...is growing in expense at double digit rates every year and most of that driven by sports. You can't do it if your paying customer can only withstand a mid, single digit price increase. It's a pathway to bankruptcy.
When future RSNs come up for contract, you're going to see some major wars go on unless they back down (which they won't). Part of what DTV is doing right now is firing several shots across the bow. Now, you may not appreciate that but they clearly are. They are saying squarely to the business, the days of just coming to DTV and exepecting a layup are over. The costs are out of control, we're not buying anymore at those rates. Whether is Pac 12, the Lakers, Houston, or others. With the SEC gearing up for their own channel, rumors of the Big East and others, this is a show across the bow. At the end of the day, these guys need DTV's 20 million subscribers to pay their bills so DTV is willing to take some subscriber losses now to get these guys in line for the long term. Whether it works or not no one will know for a few years.
So whats the solution then, how do these providers keep the costs of sports programing from getting out of control and still being able to provide sports to their subscribers? With each team/league/conference starting their own channels, how, where and when will it end?
I fear the solution is a world in which no one provider has everything and each provider sort of picks its markets of priority...
I think its ironic that you can get all of the out of market games with NBALP but when it comes to getting your local teams there are no alternatives, with the exception of changing providers, if your provider carries the channel.
You would think the local teams would give the local sports fan the ability to get the games either via the internet or via a la carte or PPV on whatever provider they have.
The sports industry needs to rethink this and something needs to change soon.
Lot of sports channels started as pay OTA channels and when they moved to cable some of them where add on channels for some time before moving to basic.
Now why not make local sports channels a $3-$10 add on maybe you even get people on limited basic to add them as under the old 1992 law you can have limited and channels like HBO.
I suspect that if anything ever goes a la cart in this industry,it will be sports channels. Realistically, at some point, all these new channels will deplete the other to the point they have to fold, or consolidate, and that will help level things out some, or at least lower their costs.
Huston vs UCLA and Colorado vs USC too.
I was talking about conference games, but we can look at both...
just wen through the schedule. You missed a few.
2 of 7 conference and 0 of 2 non conference.
3 of 6 conference and 1 of 3 non conference
So 5 of 13 including a full half of UCLAs league games so far, and one of five non conference games between the two. In total, 33% of all games, and I'm guessing you will see more on the PAC 12 networks before the end of the year.
Considering they will have basketball games most nights a week, I am very interested to see how many games are n the PAC 12 for each school.
Missed ANOTHER good pac-12 matchup tonight because they don't have this damn channel.
I think he is probably referring to the HD channel list that HDOrlando over at AVSForum keeps updated for BHN Orlando, FL.
It appears they do count the channels that JoeTheDragon listed above in there totals.
From twitter, take it for whats its worth, he claims evidence of "testing" but nothing new from Sixto in a few days...
Swanni @SwanniOnTV Will #Directv add #Lakers channel today? Some evidence of signal testing and there is a game tonight
thanks for poviding the link, i just checked on the part time. still more hd thatn dtv.
and for the record, again, i am not a guy!!
lakers play pistons but dtv only showing one feed tonight!
They're counting MLB Extra Innings and things like that....local channels. D* broadcasts I think over 800 local channels in HD and they don't count them. Silly stuff.
1001 WUCF HD (PBS) Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1011/1918 WTMO (Telemundo) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1013/1213 Central Florida News 13 HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1015 WGN America HD
1016 WOPX (ION) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1018/1901 WVEN (Univision) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1020 WESH (NBC) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1027 WRDQ-27 (Indy Owned by WFTV) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1035 WOFL (Fox) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1050 WDSC (DSC)HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1060 WKMG (CBS) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1065 WRBW (My Network TV) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1080 WKCF (The CW) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1090 WFTV (ABC) HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1102 Nickelodeon HD
1105 Disney Channel HD
1106 Disney Jr. HD
1107 Disney XD HD
1108 The Hub HD
1121 ABC Family HD
1122 Hallmark Channel HD
1123/1480 HD Movies On Demand Not a HD channel
1127 ESPN HD
1128 ESPN2 HD
1129 ESPN News HD
1131 ESPN U HD
1132/1914 ESPN Deportes HD
1133/1913 TWC Deportes National HD (Nuestros Canales) (Dec 11)
1134 TWC Sportsnet National HD (Sports Pass) (Dec 11)
1136 Fuel HD (Sports Pass)
1137 CBS Sports Network HD
1138 Big Ten Network HD (Sports Pass)
1139 Sports Pass HD OD (Sports Pass)
1140 NBA TV HD
1141 MLB Network HD
1142 YES Network HD (Sports Pass)
1143 MLB Strike Zone HD (Sports Pass) Not a 24/7 HD channel - no one counts this as a HD channel
1144 Pac 12 National HD (Sports Pass)
1145 NFL Network HD
1146 NFL RedZone HD (Sports Pass) Not a 24/7 HD channel - no one counts this as a HD channel
1147 Bright House Sports Network HD
1148 Sun Sports HD
1149 FOX Sports Florida HD
1151 NHL Network HD (Sports Pass)
1152 NBC Sports Network HD
1153 Speed HD
1154 Golf Channel HD
1155 Tennis Channel HD (Sports Pass)
1156 Outdoor Channel HD (Sports Pass)
1157 Sportsman Channel HD (Sports Pass)
1158 World Fishing Network HD (Sports Pass)
1159 Fox Soccer HD
1160 FOX Soccer Plus HD (Sports Pass)
1161/1916 Gol TV HD (Sports Pass)
1162 NESN HD (Sports Pass)
1163 beIN Sport HD (Sports Pass)
1175 Fox Sports Detroit HD (Sports Pass)
1176 Fox Sports Wisconsin HD (Sports Pass)
1177 SportSouth HD (Sports Pass)
1178 PrimeTicket HD (Sports Pass)
1190/1371 Mav TV (Sports Pass and HD Pak)
1192 Big Ten Network Extra Football Game 1 HD (Sports Pass)
1193 Big Ten Network Extra Football Game 2 HD (Sports Pass)
1196 ESPN Goal Line/Buzzer Beater HD (Sports Pass)
1209 Bay News 9 HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1210 New York 1 HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1211/1900 InfoMas HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1214 FOX News Channel HD
1215 CNN HD
1216 HLN HD
1218 MSNBC HD
1219 CNBC HD
1220 FOX Business News HD
1221 Bloomberg HD
1225 The Weather Channel HD
1226 C-SPAN HD
1227 C-SPAN2 HD
1228 C-SPAN3 HD
1230 NASA HD
1233 TV One HD
1234 BET HD
1235 Velocity HD
1236 TBS HD
1237 TNT HD
1238 USA Network HD
1239 A&E HD
1240 Bio HD
1241/1370 Smithsonian Channel HD (HD Pak)
1242 History Channel HD
1243 H2 HD
1246 Investigation Discovery HD
1247 Crime & Investigation Network HD
1250 HGTV HD
1252 Food Network HD
1253 The Cooking Channel HD
1254 DIY HD
1255 TLC HD
1256 Discovery Channel HD
1259 Animal Planet HD
1260 National Geographic Channel HD
1262 Nat Geo WILD HD
1264 Destination America HD
1265 Science Channel HD
1267 Travel Channel HD
1270 Oprah Winfrey Network HD
1271 Oxygen HD
1272 WE tv HD
1273 Lifetime HD
1278 BBC America HD
1280 GSN HD
1281 TV Land HD
1282 Cartoon Network HD
1283 FX HD
1284 G4 HD
1285 Spike HD
1286 Syfy HD
1291 Tru TV HD
1292 Comedy Central HD
1293 E! HD
1294 Style HD
1295 Bravo HD
1296 TV Guide Network HD
1300 Palladia HD
1301 MTV HD
1302 MTV2 HD
1306 VH1 HD
1311 FUSE HD
1314 CMT HD
1316 Ovation TV HD
1317 Gospel Music Channel HD
1325 HSN HD
1326 QVC HD
1327 ShopNBC HD
1340 EWTN HD
1354 Reelz HD
1355 AMC HD
1357 TCM HD
1359 Lifetime Movie Network HD
1372 Universal HD (HD Pak)
1373 MGM HD (HD Pak)
1374/1385 Hallmark Movie Channel HD (HD Pak and Movie Pass)
1375/1501 HD Showcase
1376/1560 Smithsonian Channel HD On Demand (HD Pak) They already counted Smithsonian above and now want to count the On Demand channel? :nono:
1377 Encore HD (Movie Pass)
1384 IFC HD (Movie Pass)
1388 Encore West HD (Movie Pass)
1389 Fox Movie Channel HD
1393 FearNet HD (Movie Pass)
1394 Movie Pass HD On Demand (Movie Pass) Not an HD channel
1400 HBO HD On Demand Not an HD channel
1401/243 HBO East HD
1402 HBO 2 East HD
1403 HBO Signature East HD
1404 HBO Family East HD
1405 HBO Comedy East HD
1406 HBO Zone East HD
1407 HBO Latino East HD
1408 HBO West HD
1420 Cinemax HD On Demand Not an HD channel
1421 Cinemax East HD
1422 MoreMAX East HD
1423 ActionMAX East HD
1424 ThrillerMax East HD
1425 WMAX East HD
1426 @Max East HD
1427 5StarMAX East HD
1428 OuterMAX East HD
1440 Showtime HD On Demand Not an HD channel
1441/259 Showtime East HD
1442 Showtime Too East HD
1443 Showtime Showcase East HD
1444 Showtime Women East HD
1445 Showtime Beyond East HD
1446 Showtime Next East HD
1447 Showtime Extreme East HD
1449 Showtime West HD
1450 Showtime Too West HD
1461 The Movie Channel East HD
1462 The Movie Channel Xtra HD
1463 The Movie Channel West HD
1464 The Movie Channel Xtra West HD
1466 Starz HD
1506 Primetime on Demand HD Not an HD channel
1691 Adult HD on Demand Not an HD channel
1692 Hustler HD
1693 Playboy HD
1770 3-D Special Events 1 Not an HD channel
1771 3-D Special Events 2 Not an HD channel
1772 ESPN 3-D ($10 3-D Pass)
1801 Team HD (NBA League pass and MLS Direct Kick ) Not an HD channel
1802 Team 2 HD Not an HD channel
1803 Team 3 HD Not an HD channel
1804 Team 4 HD Not an HD channel
1805 Team 5 HD Not an HD channel
1806 Team 6 HD Not an HD channel
1807 Team 7 HD Not an HD channel
1808 Team 8 HD Not an HD channel
1809 Team 9 HD Not an HD channel
1810 Game 1 HD (MLB Extra innings and NHL Center Ice) Not an HD channel
1811 Game 2 HD Not an HD channel
1812 Game 3 HD Not an HD channel
1813 Game 4 HD Not an HD channel
1814 Game 5 HD Not an HD channel
1815 Game 6 HD Not an HD channel
1816 Game 7 HD Not an HD channel
1817 Game 8 HD Not an HD channel
1818 Game 9 HD Not an HD channel
1850 HD PPV Events On Demand Not an HD channel
1851 HD PPV Events On Demand 2 Not an HD channel
1903 WOTF Telefutura HD Local station, shouldn't be counted as a national HD channel
1915 Fox Deportes HD (Nuestros Canales)
1917 Galavision HD
1919 beIN Sport espanol HD (Nuestros Canales
Yes, day to day operations are run independently, but at the of the day the subsidiary is still the subsidiary and acts in the best interest of the parent. Everyone knows negotiating with yourself is a side show. It is not arm's length and the substance will always over-rule for the form chosen.
Did he state what testing or his source?
If these guys were control characters in the corporate boardroom they certainly would not be posting here. If they were they'd be the subject of various insider issues that laws and corporate polices would certainly guard against. No doubt people that work for Directv may have their opinions. But you don't see anyone in a control position masquerading here.
http://www.keyt.com/sports/local/New-Lakers-Channel-Could-Box-Out-Tri-County-Fans-175892431.html Time Warner itself has brought the related party relationship with Root into the question, so your assertion it has run its course is your opinion only as Time Warner, in multiple press releases, has brought this all forward. Here is just one, but it's all over. Time Warner is no fool, they know the relationship with Root is a controlled subsidiary:
“With the Los Angeles Lakers, LA Galaxy and Los Angeles Sparks, two networks and unprecedented behind-the-scenes programming, Time Warner Cable SportsNet and Time Warner Cable Deportes are delivering tremendous value for Southern California sports fans. Any assertion that we are the highest priced regional sports outlet in the country is simply untrue; as a significant buyer of regional sports across the country, we know that there are higher priced regional sports networks, including Root Sports that we buy from DirecTV. Cox and DirecTV know that there is no regional sports network anywhere in the country that is offered on an optional tier — that would be unprecedented. If Cox or DirecTV choose not to carry our networks, we and their customers will be very disappointed but we are confident there will be other alternatives for their customers to see this highly-anticipated Lakers season.”
nope, that is why i said "take it for what its worth" and/or "nothing from Sixto in a few days"
Hope Directv adds some of the HD channels they have such as Fox Movie Channel, TV Land, LMN, HLN, ID, REELZ HD etc. Very impressive.