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Lakers New Regional TV Network - NOW ON THE AIR

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by kb24sd, Jul 1, 2012.

  1. Nov 8, 2012 #1441 of 2097
    JoeTheDragon

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    They said a NEW sports pack. Now I can see there being room for a mini sports packs (no RSN's or maybe even just your local RSN's) and the other sports pack with the out of market RSN's.

    Why not have a choice ultimate with sports channels and not movies?
     
  2. Nov 8, 2012 #1442 of 2097
    Hutchinshouse

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    Great post.
     
  3. Nov 8, 2012 #1443 of 2097
    Laxguy

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    I am so hoping, even though I will not be watching the Lakers. :eek2:
     
  4. Nov 8, 2012 #1444 of 2097
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    I made a correct response about your supposition that DTV is ready to not have the entire season on. It is beyond ludicrous. The icon was appropriate. I am no more a fanboy for DTV than anyone else, I just give you the reality from someone that has been around this industry for a long time and has worked on both the programmer and distributor side.

    You are just wrong, they are not going to give up on the season. It was a stupid statement on your part. Hyperbole, which seems to be one of your motives of late which I don't understand. Maybe it's the awful 1-4 start that has you upset, I don't know.
     
  5. Nov 8, 2012 #1445 of 2097
    ChicagoBlue

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    Sure, and violate a contract that says those sports channels have to be distributed in a certain way with a minimum number of eyeballs. What a great idea....violating contracts and such. What could possibly go wrong? :rolleyes:
     
  6. Nov 8, 2012 #1446 of 2097
    ChicagoBlue

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    Actually, I do know Mike White. Well, I've met him several times and have had conversations (small talk). I know a number of people at DTV just as I know people at just about every other distributor and many on the programming side.

    Secondly, you said the same fees. You are wrong, they are not the same fees nor is it the same content.

    There is value for price and that is part of the conversation here. Is it worth $3.95 for ONE TEAM and only 57 games AND wide distribution to massive number of eyeballs meaning your customers, many of whom don't give a rip about the Lakers are going to take on an even bigger price increase. Furthermore, by signing up for this, what prevents every other Tom, Dick and Harry team from doing the same thing with single channels?
     
  7. Nov 8, 2012 #1447 of 2097
    ChicagoBlue

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    Yes, Comcast covers the Lakers market.

    Of course they are talking and of course they are testing the signal so when a deal is done, it launches immediately.

    Who knows what Dish will do. You guys have to understand that the cable guys and the telco guys can take on ridiculous contracts and even take it in the shorts to be covered by their telephone and broadband revenue streams. Dish and DTV cannot, they are video only. They have to be smarter about getting the best deal possible. Not sure why this is so hard to understand here.
     
  8. Nov 8, 2012 #1448 of 2097
    ChicagoBlue

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    Because the RSNs want all of it. They want every eyeball they can get to monetize the advertising sales AND they want the huge subscribtion fees from the distributor.

    That's the problem. DTV would pay $3.95 in a heartbeat if it was only on a Sports Pack or Choice Ultimate level as you suggest. Many fewer customers there so the total outlay is not that much. The RSNs, of course, won't go for that. They want it all, the money, the eyeballs, etc.
     
  9. Nov 8, 2012 #1449 of 2097
    Laxguy

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    Is the demand (allegedly?) for $3.95 across all DIRECTV® US subscribers, or per sub in the "Lakers market"?
     
  10. Nov 8, 2012 #1450 of 2097
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    Looks like they cover Lompoc, Santa Maria, Santa Ynez, Visalia, and Fresno.
     
  11. Nov 8, 2012 #1451 of 2097
    sigma1914

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    Some of Nevada too.
     
  12. Nov 8, 2012 #1452 of 2097
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    Do think D* is also thinking about the new Dodger's channel ?

    With Dodgers looking at a new channel in a few seasons, it makes sense that D* realizes that whatever they pay for the Lakers channel is the starting point for the next Dodger's channel contract.
     
  13. Nov 8, 2012 #1453 of 2097
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    Your statement troubles me, because I really like Directv overall. But if the message that's being sent is "Directv is no longer interested in carrying RSNs at the prices RSNs are charging" and "Cable and Teleco will carry the sports channels, no matter what, because they can use their other revenue streams to cover it", then why would I, as a customer that pays for a tv provider solely because of sports, stay with Directv after the contracts with MSG, MSG+ and SNY are over, as, chances are, Directv will try to move these to sports paks, the channels will bark and will, eventually, be dropped?

    To cut a long story short, I read your sentence as a major flaw in the business plan for Directv and Dish. And, actually, for Directv, as we all know Dish is accumulating a ton of wireless spectrum, so eventually, Dish will have other revenue streams to rely on, in addition to video.
     
  14. Nov 8, 2012 #1454 of 2097
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    C'mon, contracts CAN be renegotiate/amended! If Mike White really, truly, wanted to lead by example, he'd say: "Listen Root, this is how I want the RSNs to be carried going forward. So the contract now will say "Root carried in Choice Ultimate or SportsPak only, even in local market".

    Mike White word to the RSN industry would have far more value if he were to say to the public: "I went ahead and, effective on xxx day, Root sports, which are owned by us, will be carried in Choice Ultimate/SportsPak only." The current statements sound like WebTraveler said, "do as I say, but not as I do".

    From a Wall St. perspective, I can tell you that I heard colleagues that cover Directv stock saying that they were surprised that Mike White was renewed. Wall St. respects the way Mike dealt with Viacom. But they are worried about potential sub losses because of lack of carriage of RSNs in the #2 and #5 DMAs, on 2 markets that Directv has a huge penetration. I can say that they aren't worried about Directv not carrying PAC-12 that much, but they are very worried about the lack of carriage of TWCSN and CSN Houston.
     
  15. Nov 8, 2012 #1455 of 2097
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    And which makes me wonder that since TV programming is the only real revenue stream for the DTH satellite industry, the only way for DIRECTV and Dish to ultimately survive is to merge into one sole super DTH satellite carrier.

    I really don't think DIRECTV and Dish can really afford to compete against each other plus the CATV and Telco distributors for much longer and need to combine their forces into a sole satellite carrier to compete against CATV and Telco industry.

    I mean I realize this wreaks of a monopoly for the satellite option, stifles competition and user choice to some degree, and federal regulators certainly won't like it, but I'm not sure there's a future viable alternative unless they (the feds) want to see DBS satellite service eventually disappear altogether.
     
  16. Nov 8, 2012 #1456 of 2097
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    I was too but can't they fire him at anytime?
     
  17. Nov 8, 2012 #1457 of 2097
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    i am still troubled that bright house in central florida will be adding both versions of twc sports net next month.

    i have always respected directv for their sports offerings. my respect may be slowly starting to change.
     
  18. Nov 8, 2012 #1458 of 2097
    tulanejosh

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    For what it's worth, i was able to get some sweetheart discounts because of this.

    Disclaimer: I spend a lot with Directv. Like a lot a lot. I'm a premier customer, i do the MLB package, NBA LP, ST and order probably 10ish UFC PPV per year in addition to various add-ons. Your mileage may vary.

    Anyway... called retention, very polite about it but told them that i was unhappy that DTV was lacking 4 sports channels that I'd really like to have and have had to go out and secure alternative services in order to get some of them. (the channels i referenced were TWC SN, CSN Houston, PAC 12, Longhorn Network). I openly told them that i wasn't going to cancel, but that because it's not costing me quite a bit extra per month, unless i could get some sort of discount it was going to cause me to re-evaluate how much i spend with D* each month, and I really don't want to do that. They gave me a few discounts, $25/month off for a year, and an additional $10 off for 6 months. Call and try. Can't hurt.
     
  19. Nov 8, 2012 #1459 of 2097
    JoeTheDragon

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    out of market feed with blackouts and likely lower rates also bright house is tied to TWC.
     
  20. Nov 8, 2012 #1460 of 2097
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    I actually am a supporter of them merging, but the only comparision is when XM & Sirius merged. That really hasn't helped the consumer at all as the fees have gone up and to this day they still operate two seperate platforms.
     

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