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  1. Hound

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    Big Ten Network is 51% owned by the Universities, 49% by Fox. Obviously the
    Fox affiliation is where the D* carriage agreement came from.

    Ultimately, final decisions are made by the Universities.
     
  2. James Long

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    Their loss. They just don't have the content to compel the level of carriage they demand.
     
  3. Hound

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    I will not predict who is going to blink first, BTN or an MVP.
     
  4. scooper

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    I'll predict that E* won't :)

    IF BTN gets carried - it's going to be handled like any other RSN - AT100+ or AT200 or better.
     
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    I agree with that. I am sure that BTN would accept AT100+. BTN would accept
    AT200 if it is similar to D*'s tier in terms of percentage of subs. Maybe the
    per sub fee is the major stumbling block with E* or AT100+ is?
     
  6. James Long

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    Since you seem to know a lot about D*, what is their percentage of subs that subscribe to Choice Plus where D* is reportedly placing BTN?

    If E* is pushing to make BTN and RSN they may want to only provide it regionally, like normal RSNs. A normal RSN would be available in market in AT100+, not in every home that subscribes to AT100+. Another potential for stickyness.

    BTN would be best off accepting AT200 to all regions (similar to CSTV) instead of pushing for any sub AT200 customers than be declared an RSN and only be available regionally (or in the Sports Pack).

    If BTN is foolish enough to push for AT100 or AT100+ and every home (not regional) they are not likely to make it on to E*. AT200 is where it fits into how E* is treating current channels. There is no proof that BTN deserves any better treatment - especially at the price they are demanding.
     
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    D* does not have a Choice Plus tier.

    AT200 on BTN's terms, one rate for the 8 states and a lower rate for the other 42 states would be an outstanding deal for BTN. Would BTN accept AT200 when
    BTN is insisting on Comcast placing BTN in expanded basic which generally is
    90% of subs in the cable industry? I have no clue? But I agree AT200 is a good
    deal.

    With regard to E*'s FCC filing, generally it would be unlikely that E* would
    get a response before the end of August. However, maybe the FCC has
    expedited procedures. Has anyone read the FCC procedures? I have not. Because
    of the filing, E* probably will not reach agreement with BTN by the end of
    August (speculation on my part).

    Since the FOX interest in BTN is only 49 percent, my opinion is that the E* FCC
    filing will not be successful.
     
  8. James Long

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    Sorry ... "Choice Xtra" (I recall a new plan called Choice Plus which was supposed to be Choice Xtra plus DVR. They are apparently calling that "Plus DVR".)

    The FAQs on the BTN website have "Total Choice" listed, so I suppose whomever posted the plus level earlier in this thread was wrong (or the BTN website has been partially corrected).

    Hard ball can be expensive. I hope E* is offering CSTV like placement in AT200. The loss to E* is negligible if they don't have the channel.

    I see the FCC filing as a negotiating tool. It does place the issue on hold.
     
  9. Aug 1, 2007 #189 of 572
    nmetro

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    Things still not looking up. 80% of the Big Ten states still do not have access to BTN.

    The following is from today's Columbus Dispatch:

    As kickoff nears, Big Ten TV deal incomplete
    Wednesday, August 1, 2007 7:34 AM
    By Bob Baptist
    The Columbus Dispatch

    CHICAGO -- If the Big Ten kicked off the football season today, 80 percent of cable television subscribers in the conference's eight-state region -- including everyone in central Ohio -- would not be able to watch the games carried by the Big Ten Network.

    Network president Mark Silverman said yesterday that, a month before kickoff, the network has not agreed to terms with most cable operators in the Big Ten region, including Time Warner, which serves more than two of every three wired homes in Ohio.

    Jim Delany, the conference's commissioner, suggested a month ago in a war of words with cable giant Comcast that if negotiations were not progressing by now, conference coaches should start lobbying fans to switch to DirecTV, a satellite provider that will carry the Big Ten Network.

    Delany was more conciliatory yesterday, saying it is merely "halftime" of a high-stakes game he and Silverman hope is settled before Ohio State opens its season Sept. 1 against Youngstown State on the network.

    Silverman agreed with Delany, describing the impasse as business as usual.

    "We never expected the large-cable-operator deals to be done at this point," Silverman said. "It's not the way the industry works. They get done very late; mid- to late August is when these things typically heat up. I anticipate having productive conversations with cable operators in the coming weeks."

    Silverman and Delany said one proposal remains non-negotiable: that cable providers put the network in their "expanded basic" service that also includes ESPN. The "vast majority" of holdout providers, Silverman said, have countered that the network belongs in a sports package with other "niche" offerings.

    "We believe it is best suited (to) a sports tier," Time Warner spokeswoman Judy Barbao said. "It is expensive programming that we feel should be available as a choice for customers to pay for or not pay for. We don't believe it's fair to ask every customer, whether they're a Big Ten fan or not, to pay for this expensive programming."

    Providers in the eight-state region have been asked to pay $1.10 per subscriber each month to carry the network. But when asked yesterday if that price was negotiable, Silverman seemed to indicate that the network was ready to back off, which could hasten negotiations in the coming weeks.

    "Everything is negotiable other than the expanded basic (service) in the eight states," he said.

    If the network lowers its asking price, will cable providers agree to include it in their expanded-basic package? Barbao said she could not speak for Time Warner negotiators, but Silverman said he was hopeful of a thaw in the standoff.

    "As soon as they're amenable to expanded basic, I think we could sit down and get this deal done," he said.

    "I would hope as we get into the next few weeks that whatever has transpired to date is put aside … it gets much more serious and it's time to really do what I think we owe the fans and get the network on the air."

    Delany acknowledged the possibility that all might not be well at the start.

    But "ultimately, if not in three weeks, (the network) will enjoy wide distribution," he said. "The vision is (that fans) will receive every game through cable and satellite and any other new technology that becomes useful. In the short term, I empathize and sympathize with the tension they feel about this issue."

    So does Ohio State coach Jim Tressel, who said fans "deserve to see as much Big Ten as they can possibly see" and will be disappointed if they can't see the opener against Youngstown State.

    But "knowing our fans," Tressel said, "they'll find a way to see it."

    bbaptist@dispatch.com
     
  10. Aug 1, 2007 #190 of 572
    James Long

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    The proper place on E* would be with CSTV in AT200 ... the tier above where ESPN is. BTN is not ESPN ... they need to realize that.

    (Of course, if E* didn't have the AT100 tier it wouldn't be an issue. That's where D* wins by not having a decent $29.99 programming tier.)
     
  11. Aug 1, 2007 #191 of 572
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    Thing of it is, they don't realize that. Silverman and Delaney think their programming is just as valuable as ESPN if not more valuable because of all of the "local programming" BTN is going to carry, like RAGBRAI, which is an annual bicycle ride across Iowa (it's not a race, just a lesiurley ride with overnight stops along the way in various small towns), which is something Delaney said last week that BTN could televise.
     
  12. Aug 1, 2007 #192 of 572
    James Long

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    I've attached E*'s cover letter explaining their view that BTN is an RSN.

    The News Corp.-backed Big Ten Network plans to launch this August and provide regional coverage of sporting events of a single NCAA conference, the Big Ten Conference, which includes 11 schools in 8 midwestern states. EchoStar submits that such an offering fits neatly within any reasonable definition of a RSN, and has offered carriage terms comparable to those offered to other RSNs carried today on DISH Network. EchoStar’s proposed carriage terms are supported by the intended core programming (regional college sports) and proposed pricing (substantially higher in-region rates) of the new channel. Notwithstanding the fact it offers only regional programming, Big Ten Network suggests it is a national network – even demanding carriage on DISH Network’s basic tier. The only evidence Big Ten Network could offer in support of its carriage demands is a national affiliation deal with its sister company, DIRECTV, hardly an arms-length negotiation.​

    The full 3mb petition is available here (at the FCC website).
     
  13. Aug 1, 2007 #193 of 572
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    One problem with most cable companies is that their expanded basic lineup is already packed to the gills. To add the BTN they would have to drop a channel, and likely violate their agreement with that channel.

    If the NFL Network was not able to force their way into expanded basic on many systems, then I doubt that that BTN will be able to either.
     
  14. Aug 4, 2007 #194 of 572
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    That's exactly right. The NFL has more market appeal than the Big 10 and if they couldn't, its doubtful for Big 10 Network.

    That said, I've been doing some research on this FCC complaint Dish filed. It looks like because of the Liberty Media deal, any network downed by Fox or Directv or related company is potentially subject to arbitration. This is something that Big 10 didn't figure into its analysis. In the end, the Big 10 Network will be classified as a Regional Sports Channel and will end up with all the RSNs on Dish under those rules. Big 10 will end up getting the RSN rate and not be across America, unless someone subscribes the sports pack - I wonder what this does to all of the analysis done by the Big 10....the tie in with Directv owning 49% of all of this really screws up their network.
     
  15. Aug 4, 2007 #195 of 572
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    Very true. Comcast just put the NFL network in their extra sports pack.
     
  16. Aug 7, 2007 #196 of 572
    nmetro

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    Dear Season Ticket Holders and Alumni,

    On August 30, a new television network dedicated to showcasing the Big Ten will be launched nationwide. The Big Ten Network is a first-of-its-kind partnership between the eleven Big Ten universities and a major television provider. Through the network, fans will get to see an unprecedented number of Big Ten sporting events, including football and basketball. Ohio State and the other Big Ten universities will receive increased regional and national exposure while also establishing a stable source of funding to supplement our existing Big Ten contracts with CBS (basketball) and ABC/ESPN (football).

    This additional revenue will help Ohio State, which has the largest athletics program in the country, remain completely self-supporting, without relying on any tax or tuition dollars to maintain its 36 men's and women's varsity sports. The new revenue will also benefit the university at large; for example, it is the source of funding for the Athletics Department's recent $5 million pledge to the university's main library renovation.

    Programming that will be featured on the network and/or on other alternative platforms, like the internet, mobile/wireless, interactive and on-demand includes:

    -Between 60 and 70 OSU events this season, including:
    o Football
    o Men's and women's basketball
    o Olympic sports including baseball, gymnastics, soccer, tennis, volleyball, wrestling, swimming, diving and more

    -A nightly studio show including segments from each campus

    -Big Ten championship events, classic games and coaches' shows

    The wide appeal of Ohio State sports calls for widespread distribution of the Big Ten Network. If you live in the state of Ohio, then you should receive the Big Ten Network among the 70 or so channels included with your standard or basic level of service. That service typically includes channels such as Food Channel, Discovery, ESPN, ESPN2, the Golf Channel, and two networks focusing on regional sports-FSN-Ohio and Sports Time Ohio, for example. Many cable operators also own regional sports networks and carry them on this same level of service.

    The network is in discussions with all cable and satellite providers nationwide. National agreements have been reached with DirecTV and AT&T, and regional agreements are in place with more than 75 other cable providers. All agreements call for the network to be offered on the standard or basic level of service. DirecTV has designated 220 as the Big Ten Network's channel, and also has committed "overflow" channels at no additional charge to subscribers to accommodate the many occasions when the network produces multiple games simultaneously.

    As a strong supporter of OSU, the most important thing you can do to get the network is to contact your cable or satellite company to ask that the Big Ten Network be added to your basic package. Please call 1-866-WANT-B10 to tell your cable operator that you want the Big Ten Network on your basic cable package. You can also go to www.BigTenNetwork.com to join Fans First, our fan loyalty program, to receive regular updates on the Big Ten Network.

    Go Bucks!

    Eugene Smith
     
  17. Aug 7, 2007 #197 of 572
    James Long

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    Source?
     
  18. Aug 7, 2007 #198 of 572
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    I've called DISH and stated that under no circumstances do I want to pay one additional penny for BTN.
     
  19. Aug 8, 2007 #199 of 572
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    Well bah humbug to you too. Thanks for the support.
     
  20. Aug 8, 2007 #200 of 572
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    well i guess, no ohio state-youngstown state on tv for me. my mom really wants to
    go because its Alumni Band day.
     
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