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  1. TBoneit

    TBoneit Hall Of Fame

    Jul 27, 2006
    The long term loss will be future fans. IMHO, Short term no impact, long term though.......

    I'm sure that in the log term the Yankees will end up with fewer fans due to the YES network. How many people became fans from watching the Yankees on local NYC (Free) TV?

    I haven't watched a Yankee game on TV and skip past any coverage of the Yankees in the Newsbroadcasts since they started YES.
  2. JohnH

    JohnH Hall Of Fame

    Apr 22, 2002
    So far, everything the Big Ten Network has produced is in High Definition. A couple of Women's Field Hockey and a couple of Women's Volleyball have been seen going by here. :)

  3. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Gold Club DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    Probably been said before, but I like the summary answers:
    (Mark Silverman is the President of BTN)
    Pulling the numbers ... BTN is not asking for $1.10 in the eight states, they are asking for "about a buck", and BTN is asking for about a dime elsewhere.

    There are 72 million homes outside the eight states and 18 million homes in those states (obviously not all E* customers and without E* providing numbers there would be no way of telling where E*'s customers are distributed in that). 20% of the 90 million BTN would like to reach are in the eight states.

    IF E* customers were evenly distributed that would be 2.6 million customers in region and 10.4 million out of region. About $3.64 million to carry BTN in AT100 or $2.52 million to carry BTN in AT200. Roughly $1.8 million to carry BTN as an RSN within the eight state region. I assume that E* is going for the lowest price ... unless BTN is willing to lower their price where E* can pay $1.8 million and place it in AT100 or less and place it in AT200 (where it belongs) I expect all we will hear about is how much Big Ten sports is available on other channels.

    One final quote:
  4. Earl Bonovich

    Earl Bonovich Lifetime Achiever

    Nov 15, 2005
    So basically:
    $0.28 per month/per subscriber for AT100
    $0.19 per month/per subscriber for AT200
    or $0.13 if they get it down to $1.8 mil.
  5. HobbyTalk

    HobbyTalk Hall Of Fame

    Jul 14, 2007
    Not really since there are fewer AT200 or RSN subscribers. The cost per subscriber is the same... fewer subscribers, less money paid (unless E can get it down to 1.8 mil in the AT100 tier).
  6. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Gold Club DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    The cost to E* is based on the deal they get and the placement of the channel. Per Subscriber if you are counting all 13 million. BTN wouldn't get 13 million subscribers along with their millions of dollars unless E* placed the network in AT100. But the cost per E* subscriber would be what was stated.

    I found it interesting thar Mr. Silverman made a distinction between the media quoted $1.10 and his "about a buck".
  7. Michael P

    Michael P Hall Of Fame

    Oct 27, 2004
  8. mhowie

    mhowie Legend

    Sep 30, 2006
    Unless subscribers jump to DirecTV, Charlie won't add it. Even then, if it doesn't equate to more dollars for Charlie, forget about it. I've learned in my 12 years as a Dish customer that Charlie's customers' needs are secondary to increasing his nest egg. Good business model if you can retain customers. As soon as DirecTV can get closer in the hardware department, and especially if they become the HD leader as they are touting will be the case, I expect to defect.
  9. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Gold Club DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
  10. Badger

    Badger Legend

    Jan 30, 2006
    There will be more basketball than football on BTN at least for us Wisconsin fans. The madison newspaper had an article which said either 11 or 12 of Wisconsins 18 conference games are exclusive to the BTN. It also reported that as of the time the article was written that only Directv was carrying the BTN in Wisconsin. I'm a D* sub and I hope E* gets the BTN up as I know many of their subs really want it.

    Good Luck!
  11. angiecopus

    angiecopus Legend

    May 18, 2004
    i had an argument with my dad about switching to direct tv, but he said that dish network was the only provider in our area. i am sorta jealous that my mom is going to the first ohio state game, and now i find out that someone has given my brother tickets to the same game. I know someone with Direct tv but they wont be home this weekend.
  12. nmetro

    nmetro Godfather

    Jul 11, 2006
    Big Ten Network, cable in standoff
    This is from today's Columbus Dispatch.

    Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:39 AM
    By Bob Baptist

    Will your child live in an Ohio State dormitory this fall?

    If all else fails, you can watch Buckeyes games on the Big Ten Network in his or her room. Just not soon enough.

    The dorms won't open until after the Buckeyes' games against Youngstown State and Akron, which will be televised exclusively by the Big Ten Network.

    Ohio State kicks off the 2007 football season Saturday afternoon. The Big Ten Network kicks off its first season Thursday at 8 p.m., with a replay of the 2006 OSU-Michigan game airing at 9.

    But unless there is a change in field position, neither will be seen in households served by central Ohio's three major cable TV providers.

    The standoff between the nascent Big Ten Network and Big Cable continued yesterday, not only in central Ohio but throughout the conference's eight-state region. The network is scheduled to air six conference games Saturday.

    "No agreement has been finalized at this stage, and I can't really predict whether one will get done. I have not been given any indication that we are close," said Judy Barbao, spokeswoman for Time Warner, central Ohio's largest cable provider.

    Officials from Insight and WOW, the two other cable providers in central Ohio, likewise said negotiations continue. "But (we) don't see any change in progress," said Scott Neesley, senior vice president of WOW Ohio.

    As matters stand, the network will be available in central Ohio only via satellite provider DirecTV and Ohio State's campus cable network. The university and eight other Big Ten schools contracted with the network earlier this month.

    "It was a high priority for us that our students got the games," said Steve Snapp, OSU associate athletic director for broadcast services.

    At issue in negotiations are the Big Ten Network's asking price of $1.10 per subscriber per month and its insistence that it be put on cable providers' "expanded basic" tier, which includes ESPN.

    Cable providers say that, at that price, the channel belongs on a pricier tier of niche sports channels. The network has said it is flexible on price, but Barbao said Time Warner and the network are "worlds apart."

    The Big Ten Network has reached agreement with five cable systems in Ohio, the largest being Buckeye, which serves approximately 150,000 subscribers in the Toledo area. The other systems are Horizon (Chillicothe), New Knoxville (near Lima), and Wadsworth and AT&T U-verse, both near Akron.

    Meanwhile, some central Ohio fans are only now realizing that WBNS-TV (Channel 10) will not carry OSU football games not shown on ABC or one of the ESPN networks. Viewers continue to contact Channel 10 to ask why the games will not be aired, said Tom Griesdorn, president and general manager.

    "There will be many, many people Saturday at a quarter 'til 12 who will tune in to Channel 10 and the 'Oh, (bleep)' factor will kick in," he said.
  13. cb7214

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    Jan 25, 2007
    here is my question, why is E* now so worried about making subscribers pay for a channel they don't want when if you take every channel offered by either D* or E* and i bet you could find just as many people that don't want this or that channel but still end up having to pay for it anyways
  14. Jim5506

    Jim5506 Hall Of Fame

    Jun 7, 2004
    First of all it would set a precedent. A RSN being on the basic tier.

    Secondly the price is about double what it should be, maybe more and for mostly sports re-runs - NO!
  15. wolfjc

    wolfjc Legend

    Oct 4, 2006
    Thats just wrong if you can get Dish you can also get direct.
  16. terfmop

    terfmop Legend

    Sep 28, 2004

    Perhaps he might be in a similar situation that we in Terre Haute are in. Yes, we can get D*, but only E* carries our locals. D* does not carry our local channels.
  17. iahawks550

    iahawks550 Mentor

    May 23, 2006
    Is it like 0.10 per subscriber in all but 8 states?
  18. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Gold Club DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    "About a buck" to 20% of the homes in the US. :(

    Can't have it "out of state" and not in. People would really freak!
  19. Ira Lacher

    Ira Lacher Icon

    Apr 24, 2002
    Charlie's just cheap. And he wants everything on his terms. I finally got tired of his gamesmanship and am switching to D* this week.
  20. Michael P

    Michael P Hall Of Fame

    Oct 27, 2004
    :confused: :confused: :confused: How can Preble County Ohio stop Direct TV from doing business in the county? Your Dad may be confused with the old Pegasus/NRTC arrangement, where to get D* in many rural areas you had to go through a middleman. I believe that arrangement went the ways of the dinosaurs a long time ago. E* never had "exclusive" contracts. If you can get the signal from the satellite (and was in the continental USA i.e. not Canada) you can legally subscribe to either DBS service!
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